Lazy developers exposed by Apple M1 transition (lack of native updates)

[SoftSynthLover99]

I would bet that mostly all of you who are against this topic are windows users.

I hoped this topic would be a place to point out which devs seem to have users in mind and care about native M1 support, rather than the typical PC vs apple crap. Nobody cares that you use Windows!

And for those getting emotional saying I’m bashing hard working devs, I’m actually doing the opposite! In fact I gave a shoutout to some of the hardworking devs I personally use in my original post who are already M1 native.

I have no clue why windows users are commenting on this thread smh. If I wanted to talk about gaming laptops I’d go to a gaming forum lol.

[plexuss]

SoftSynthLover99 needs to get their head out of their ass.

[jens]

We shall see about CLAP in five years..once Steinberg, Avid and Apple do not support it, it will be a fringe format.
We shall have this convo in five years.
rsp

Yeah, what you say makes total sense! You really thought that through, huh?

[briefcasemanx]

The reason why people are edging their seats on Silicon compatiblity is because the machines are very, very fast and the last couple of Intel Macs just weren't (or only in rare cases).

Benchmarks only seem to tell half of the story. There are other things under the hood (processor and system design, OS) that make the M1 series faster than Intel/AMD in their categories.

I'd love to see the devs you were referring to. I have only heard the polar opposite.

The last one that I specifically remember was the Tone2 dev saying there wasn't a huge difference vs rosetta (or whatever it's called not a Mac owner), I remember reading that multiple times because it was a slow moving thread. I saw some other devs saying similar things but I can't recall who or where because uhhh why would I? I don't care about Mac stuff.

If this is outside of the norm, and most plugins are seeing huge performance increases, then I stand corrected. But calling them lazy because they're not catering to your specific early adopter needs fast enough is braindead. It's also kinda sociopathic, the idea that because someone that works at a job isn't catering to your specific needs, they aren't getting work done.

Regardless of the specifics of the average cpu efficiency increase across the plugin industry, the thread title is still super gross and if someone is unsatisfied with the software available on a platform, they should probably not buy into that platform just because it's the new thing unless they want to experiment but have the expectation that their needs won't be met. Or in the case of M1 or any new platform, wait until a satisfactory software package becomes available if it's a big deal to you not to have all the software right away, as it obviously is to the OP.

I'd say what's actually lazy is buying a system without using your brain to understand the bare basics of how reality works, then projecting your own personal issues onto developers, like the OP did.

[kidslow]

There's no excuse for so much trouble with most of the other OS updates where basic technology stays the same for (a) decade(s).

Setting aside the hardware architecture move from Intel to ARM, the OS updates that Apple has implemented in the past 4-5 years that have led to the most inconvenience for developers and end users are due to security of the operating system. MacOS is far more secure today than it was 5 years ago. This isn't even up to debate. People want a secure operating system but they don't want the extra layers of "inconvenience" this imposes on them, myself included. Another frigging request for my password, really. Unfortunately security versus convenience can be a zero-sum game. Pick your poison. Apple clearly has chosen security. Given the state of insecure computer systems the world over, this is not necessarily a bad choice for society. Unless you are a developer trying to maintain legacy code with heaps of technical debt.

[Super Piano Hater 64]

I would bet that mostly all of you who are against this topic are windows users.

Bet away. You've already lost.

If I wanted to talk about gaming laptops I’d go to a gaming forum lol.

If I wanted to see more posts like that one, I'd do the same.

[briefcasemanx]

I would bet that mostly all of you who are against this topic are windows users.

I hoped this topic would be a place to point out which devs seem to have users in mind and care about native M1 support, rather than the typical PC vs apple crap. Nobody cares that you use Windows!

And for those getting emotional saying I’m bashing hard working devs, I’m actually doing the opposite! In fact I gave a shoutout to some of the hardworking devs I personally use in my original post who are already M1 native.

I have no clue why windows users are commenting on this thread smh. If I wanted to talk about gaming laptops I’d go to a gaming forum lol.

Gosh, I dunno why non-Mac users would be in here? Hmmmm, couldn't be because you projected your own laziness onto plugin developers or anything, right?

I don't go into M1 threads, I not sure if i've ever left a single comment in an m1 thread, but here I am for some reason. It's such a mystery why I chose to join this one!!!

I'm assuming you're like 14, which means you'll soon be old enough to buy a clue.

[SoftSynthLover99]

I would bet that mostly all of you who are against this topic are windows users.

I hoped this topic would be a place to point out which devs seem to have users in mind and care about native M1 support, rather than the typical PC vs apple crap. Nobody cares that you use Windows!

And for those getting emotional saying I’m bashing hard working devs, I’m actually doing the opposite! In fact I gave a shoutout to some of the hardworking devs I personally use in my original post who are already M1 native.

I have no clue why windows users are commenting on this thread smh. If I wanted to talk about gaming laptops I’d go to a gaming forum lol.

Gosh, I dunno why non-Mac users would be in here? Hmmmm, couldn't be because you projected your own laziness onto plugin developers or anything, right?

I don't go into M1 threads, I not sure if i've ever left a single comment in an m1 thread, but here I am for some reason. It's such a mystery why I chose to join this one!!!

I'm assuming you're like 14, which means you'll soon be old enough to buy a clue.

So let me get this straight, I’m now lazy because I called out lazy developers for being lazy with native support of Apple M1? What in the world are you talking about?

I did the research into apple M1 and didn’t buy the first generation chips because I knew compatibility would be slow. However we are now in 2nd-3rd generation apple chips and some of these developers need to get it together already. As I said these are not free plugins.

[SoftSynthLover99]

SoftSynthLover99 needs to get their head out of their ass.

Yep when they can’t attack your arguments they always go to the name calling and profanities

[licasto2]

12 months ago everything had to be "Big Sur" compatible - now it's the rush for Monterey. Before that everything broke with Sierra, High Sierra, El Capitan, Mojave, Catalina and on and on.

Honestly, how can you produce music on a Mac at all - do you just spend 6 months of the year waiting for broken plugins to fix themselves

Sorry, didn't mean to offend - this is just madness... Is "M1" going to be stable for awhile?

The trick you learn is to always be 2-3 product cycles and OS's behind with your main production machine. I have an M1 MacBook as my portable "toy" machine but don't plan on upgrading the iMac Pro in my studio to an M1 until the iMac is no longer functional. So far the performance of the M1 is spectacular but I don't have time for compatibility nonsense when I'm working.

[SoftSynthLover99]

12 months ago everything had to be "Big Sur" compatible - now it's the rush for Monterey. Before that everything broke with Sierra, High Sierra, El Capitan, Mojave, Catalina and on and on.

Honestly, how can you produce music on a Mac at all - do you just spend 6 months of the year waiting for broken plugins to fix themselves

Sorry, didn't mean to offend - this is just madness... Is "M1" going to be stable for awhile?

The trick you learn is to always be 2-3 product cycles and OS's behind with your main production machine. I have an M1 MacBook as my portable "toy" machine but don't plan on upgrading the iMac Pro in my studio to an M1 until the iMac is no longer functional. So far the performance of the M1 is spectacular but I don't have time for compatibility nonsense when I'm working.

Most of my go to plugins never crash on M1. However occasionally I have some issues with some Kontakt stuff that is usually resolved by reloading the project. Rosetta 2 is pretty stable with the latest updates. I think MacOS monterey may be more of an issue than M1 though as it seems to cause some trouble with older plugins. My M1Max shipped with Monterey so I can’t downgrade to Big Sur and test the performance on that unfortunately.

[vurt]

wrong forum.

computer woes and stuff

[SoftSynthLover99]

BTW a lot of good stuff is already Native M1 like:

FabFilter (All Plugins)
Valhalla dsp (All Plugins)
Waves (All Plugins)
U-he
Arturia V Collection 8 + Pigments
Omnisphere, Keyscape, Trilian, Stylus RMX
UVI Falcon
Eventide Anthology XI
XLN Audio (Most Plugins)
Superior Drummer 3
Klanghelm (All Plugins)

Many more are as well but these are the brands I’m familiar with and use daily. Soundtoys unfortunately crashes often and I use them quite often. Plugin Alliance and Native Instruments stuff is somewhat stable but can cause crashes sometimes.

I’m not making the case that ALL plugin developers are lazy. But are you telling me that 100% of plugin developers aren't lazy and that every single plugin developer from every company is not lazy?

Heck I’m lazy some days when I have to work with a client I may not be that excited about, but I still have to find a way to do good work. Everyone has lazy days but when someone is paying you to do something lazy days need to be few and far between.

[SoftSynthLover99]

wrong forum.

computer woes and stuff

Disagree. This is mostly about effects plugins (and some instruments) rather than computer/hardware issues.

[vurt]

wrong forum.

computer woes and stuff

Disagree. This is mostly about effects plugins (and some instruments) rather than computer/hardware issues.

i just wanted it somewhere i wouldn't keep seeing it.