Experiential discovery vs. formal training in music theory

[vurt]

well he's very good at copying so i reckon he'd do a reasonable job, but it would be like when underground music, reaches the masses, and it's somehow lost the "essence"

Beyond a 4-to-the-floor, a repetitive umbada-umbada bass drone, some random phrygian arpeggios and farty effects, I had no living clue that Psy-trance had an essence. My bad.

I fancied old school goa as trance dance candidate. Had more exciting movements and cool phrygian themes in the bass.

because, by the time you heard of it, it had been watered down for cash.

im talking roots of, like the old squat parties, where for "reasons" minimal was the way, because when the rozzers were spotted, you wanted minimal unplugging and carrying.

in the uk at least, this is where dance music grew up, in illegal parties, because "repetitive beats" were actually made illegal!!! (in public) so it became something more than just a good time.

all this, as well as the music were intrinsic to the sound, because "rebellion"
now, obviously "musically" it's not rebellious at all, rarely, but a "scene" is more than just the records played.

and tbf, i don't really know about modern dance stuff, im a granddad. are there any underground scenes now? i bloody hope so, i want my grandchildren to have the same opportunities to "f**k you society" that we did

[vurt]

i may also be high right now

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

And why would you think other participants are not?

[vurt]

might be driving a train.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Or a spaceship, who knows?

[vurt]

however, at the time I posted, I was more thinking of the faintly ridiculous Detroit techno thread on gearspace that's running at the moment, in which a bunch of mid-life crisis blokes argue the toss as to whether anyone can make Detroit techno now after some neophyte asked for some tips on making it. it's runs the gamut of narcissism of small differences.

well yes, that's a different thing again though. anyone "can" do anything, and if you want to do something, you'll find a way!

my issue, re dance music compared to "back in my day" yes, they could do it, but they don't!
something changed, when it went from being done on the run, to being done in huge clubs for massive amounts of cash.

luckily there was kickback, but now we are the beginning of the whole "different genres..." in dance i guess.

maybe, and im willing to admit it could well be, there was a certain added element of excitement to the experience, running from the fuzz to party!
and then not being allowed in cream, because i didn't realise you were supposed to wear a shirt n shoes to dance your bollocks off?

sterilisation of the scene! bastards!

the drugs were better then though.

[vurt]

Or a spaceship, who knows?

i don't fly it, im just the captain

[gaggle of hermits]

something changed, when it went from being done on the run, to being done in huge clubs for massive amounts of cash.

there are many more clubs than the big ones. you're not constrained to them. even then, i was at one of the nights 4tet did in brixton late last year that cost sod-all to get in as they were trying to get things going again. everyone seemed to be having a good time; they weren't moaning about how inauthentic it all was. they'd turned up to dance.

going back to the past. what people forget was that the live-music scene was getting hammered by councils and planning laws through the 80s, with everything turning into bingo halls or warmed-over discos, and the rave scene was partly a reaction to that. it became obvious there was a huge pent-up demand, so laws or not, the warehouse raves were going to go away at some point. they only made a brief reappearance as the lockdowns eased up because there was no other venue available.

but, as with every generation, they're doing it wrong (apparently). because there are drops. in 20 years, you'll have them moaning about how music doesn't have any proper drops in it (but may well have a 4/4 beat and go 'oontz, oontz, oontz'). and the circle goes round again.

[vurt]

no im not saying its inauthentic or wrong, for me, it just misses something that i enjoyed, all that means is "it's moved on" and mostly, went in a direction that i personally don't enjoy.
there are of course, exceptions, some odd tunes i hear, if i was in to clubbing now, i could see myself enjoying in the moment.
i was never big on listening to many dance artists back then, outside of the environment of dance.
maybe if friends came back after a night out, or getting ready, but i wouldn't have been putting them on to sit and enjoy
again, there are a few exceptions to that.

[vurt]

but, i don't really enjoy the going out much any more. can't dance because of pain, so seems a bit odd going to a rave.

[donkey tugger]

but, i don't really enjoy the going out much any more.

Nobody wants to see this kind of thing.

[vurt]

but, i don't really enjoy the going out much any more.

Nobody wants to see this kind of thing.

exactly!
my dislike of going out did coincide with the invention of the camera phone.
but that was pure coincidence.

[gaggle of hermits]

Nobody wants to see this kind of thing.

and that, kids, is why you shouldn't do coke.

otoh, he's having a good time. let he who hasn't gurned embarrassingly in a club throw the first bottle of overpriced water.

[vurt]

let the kids have their fun!
i don't want to ruin some kids night, when he has to help escort me across the dance floor

[jancivil]

"scenes" are for kids
confer Groucho on 'any club that would have me...'

make yer own scene, alla that reeks of conformity and at worst, cults