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jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:13 pm

fmr wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:03 pm I would love to see developers charging the "M1 whiners" for this Apple BS. Maybe then the Macoids would realize that the one to blame for is Apple, not the developers. Apple is always making (a lot of) money out of their "technological advancements" while the third party programmers take the burden of keep updating (most of the times, FOR FREE).

Developers would have to sell separate Windows and Mac versions. That wouldn’t go over very well. Or they would have to make a full version update and charge everyone. That also would not go over well. Maybe they could just update the Mac version to a paid version upgrade and leave Windows users a full version behind Mac. Wait, no, that wouldn’t go over very well either.

SeBaer · Post by **SeBaer** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:38 pm

chk071 wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:48 pm I mean this.

Okay, I like the other one better.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:54 pm

Same here.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:00 pm

fmr wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:03 pm I would love to see developers charging the "M1 whiners" for this Apple BS. Maybe then the Macoids would realize that the one to blame for is Apple, not the developers. Apple is always making (a lot of) money out of their "technological advancements" while the third party programmers take the burden of keep updating (most of the times, FOR FREE).

I wouldn’t mind really, if it were a sensible fee.

Maybe windows whiners should get upcharged for piracy then? (Alexey said that Mac users buy more)

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:57 pm

jamcat wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:13 pm Maybe they could just update the Mac version to a paid version upgrade and leave Windows users a full version behind Mac. Wait, no, that wouldn’t go over very well either.

Why not? It's not like Windows user will bother about M1 compatibility

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:59 pm

Ploki wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:00 pm Maybe windows whiners should get upcharged for piracy then? (Alexey said that Mac users buy more)

Right... Because piracy only exists in Windows.

And if there's anyone whining about it, it's the developers, not the users. I can't see why Windows users should be responsible for that

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:01 pm

fmr wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:59 pm Right... Because piracy only exists in Windows.

And if there's anyone whining about it, it's the developers, not the users. I can't see why Windows users should be responsible for that

Windows whiners should be responsible because more piracy = less money to spend on updates such as M1.
I mean, just because you whine about "other users" instead of devs, that doesn't make you a non-whiner.

Hey lets throw VST3 in this. Cubase users should be charged separately due to all VST3 bullshit.
And Pro Tools users for RTAS and now AAX.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:08 pm

You really are going to argue with some of these Windows users?

It;s like saying, well I don't use windows computers (I do but this is an example) so I shouldn't be paying for any developer's time used to develop a windows version of the plugins, so as a mac single platform user I should be paying get a discount on purchase price.

rsp

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:49 pm

Is this the:
A) 5 minute argument?
B) Half hour argument?
C) Eternal argument?
D) Fish argument?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:09 pm

whiny users exposed by posting on kvr

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:10 pm

Bombadil wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:49 pm Is this the:
A) 5 minute argument?
B) Half hour argument?
C) Eternal argument?
D) Fish argument?

i pop in every few days just to fuel it for c

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:27 am

zvenx wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:08 pm You really are going to argue with some of these Windows users?

It;s like saying, well I don't use windows computers (I do but this is an example) so I shouldn't be paying for any developer's time used to develop a windows version of the plugins, so as a mac single platform user I should be paying get a discount on purchase price.

rsp

Oh, As a Windows user, I would really love that developers would develop separately for Windows and MacOS, and charge customers according to the time expended in developing for each platform

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:27 pm

I think you would last one week in business with that model

rsp

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:31 pm

fmr wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:27 am
Oh, As a Windows user, I would really love that developers would develop separately for Windows and MacOS, and charge customers according to the time expended in developing for each platform

They should also account for all the lost sales due to piracy - much more prevalent on windows (because its simply easier to crack)

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:13 pm

Ploki wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:31 pm
fmr wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:27 am
Oh, As a Windows user, I would really love that developers would develop separately for Windows and MacOS, and charge customers according to the time expended in developing for each platform
They should also account for all the lost sales due to piracy - much more prevalent on windows (because its simply easier to crack)

That's a myth. Maybe there are more piracy in Windows (something that remains to be proven - I am really not an expert as apparently you are), but that's most probably due to the fact Windows is immeasurably more spread than macOS.

But the losses due to the mess Apple is constantly creating, those are very measurable and real.

Lazy developers exposed by Apple M1 transition (lack of native updates)