Import an Edit into another Edit

[bt01344]

I am trying to find a way to import an edit into another edit. I want to bring a track or multiple tracks, complete with tempo, time signature, markers, etc... into a new edit. I have found some success by simply copy and pasting, but I do need to still set tempo, time signature, and then realign the tempo to the song.
What I am trying to do is build a song library for my worship team, where all the backing tracks and tempo and everthing is set up once, then on a week to week basis I can build a set list in a new edit that I can simply import the songs that are already complete into this set list. So again importing an edit into a new edit. Trying to find a way to do this efficiently, I know it can be done in Ableton so just trying to find a way to do it in Waveform. Thanks again for your help, and may God bless you today
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[Watchful]

I'm wondering if templates would be an easier approach for you.

First, let me reassure you that the "Edit" feature of Waveform is not at all documented to any useful degree; I rarely use them and I'm sure I'm missing out on some of their better features.

The purpose of Edits, at least as I've used them, is to create alternate variations of a single project. For example, I had a piece that I couldn't decide sounded better in 3/4 or 4/4 time, so I created--within the same project--a variation of each (Edit 1 and Edit 2) so that I could listen to each before deciding 4/4 was the better way for that particular song.

If I'm reading your question right, it sounds like you are working with multiple projects and multiple songs.

If so, you might set up your musicians' parts, preferred settings, etc., and then save that as a template. For each song, open the template, import the music into it, and then drag the various parts to the appropriate tracks, and then save it as a new project. You can change tempo and key as well.

My concern with your question, though, is your statement about building a "set list." That's not something that I think Waveform can really do--not without a great deal of risk, anyway. You'd be better off rendering parts as stems and using those.

How are you doing it in Ableton? I know we have a few folks here who use both and might be able to better help.

[jabe]

I don't recall which version, but at some point edits were amended so they could be inserted into other edits. I know this for certain, but I can't find discussion of it in the manual, nor can I find a video that deals with it.

It wasn't a case of copying the entire edit and pasting the whole lot in. It was a case of adding a reference to the "smaller"edit in the "greater" edit, which meant that concerns about tempo, time signature, etc, would be dealt with by the settings for the greate" edit overriding those of the inserted edit. Unfortunately I've just tried to insert a smaller edit and I can't get it to work.

[jabe]

This video shows how to insert an edit into another edit, but my attempts to replicate the actions have not worked too well. You might find it helpful. Let me know how you get on and I'll post anything else I find that might help.

Apologies: Also, it does look like there was a problem with dragging and dropping even in T7.

[Dark Lane]

I was going to suggest using Edit Clips as well. If you create a new edit for each weekly 'set list' you can then drag in a new clip to the first track and select 'Edit Clip' from the menu that pops up. Then choose the edit that you want (i.e. the song library item).
In the Edit tab of the clip properties you can then choose which tracks in the underlying edit you want to include, just to give you some more control. It will then render a stereo master for the child edit within the parent edit.
I've not used this much as the parent edit got too complicated but in theory it should work!

[Peter Widdicombe]

I'd really like some form of reference on the use of Projects and Edits and relationship to the host file system. I sometimes have a hard time finding things from a year or more previous, and find they've been stuck in a folder structure that "doesn't make sense".

I'm sure others have found the same - files have mysteriously disappeared; possibly due to recovery or system migration to a new computer...

In looking at this original question, I thought an easy fix was the "save edit as..." that I placed into a different area. However, in doing a simple test on it, I realized that while the .tracktionedit file was indeed placed where I thought, internally it still referenced the project location; and any rendering still updated and referred to files in the original project.

Should all non-active projects be "archived" or "backed up"?

[Watchful]

This video shows how to insert an edit into another edit, but my attempts to replicate the actions have not worked too well. You might find it helpful.

Fascinating! Thanks for sharing, Jabe.

Does anyone here use Waveform like this? Does it work reliably for anyone?

[bt01344]

I appreciate all the feedback, thank you so much. I don't think templates will work for what I am trying to do. Originally when reading this I couldn't see the video but I tried the edit clip idea, Iove the idea and it seemed like it might work for me. I tried it and the issue I had was I could only insert an edit edit from within the same project, but I just saw the video and it seems like he was dragging edits in from other projects? I'm going to give it a try, thanks again.

[Watchful]

Good luck and thanks for following up.

[bt01344]

So I did try the edit clip function as shown in the video, and you are limited to only insert edit clips from within the same project. So the only way this will work is if I build my library of songs all within the same project. This seems like a bad idea to have like 30-40 edits (each being a song). Any thoughts on this? I just seemed safer to have each song in its own project, but maybe I am wrong. Thanks again.