Reminds me of when the MMA and AMEI took Smith and Wood's concept and developed the MIDI standard.
Steinberg Discontinuing VST2 Support in its products
- KVRAF
- 18587 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- KVRAF
- 5680 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
Steinberg might even come to the party!?
picture it...
"Cubase gets the CLAP"
picture it...
"Cubase gets the CLAP"
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11545 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
- KVRAF
- 8843 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
Its kind of funny, back then Yamaha was the first who implemented Midi, even before 1.0 was fixed… As soon the bought Steini…
If CLAP is adopted for ease of use by the developers, and there is a seamless wrapper for VST/AU working like the Wave shell. The world will move to it. Then its just a matter of time… I guess also, that host developers will have their plugin implementations done like Bitwig does, and move it into a separate process, that allows easily to keep support for different plugin formats… And crashing plugins don’t kill the host…
If CLAP is adopted for ease of use by the developers, and there is a seamless wrapper for VST/AU working like the Wave shell. The world will move to it. Then its just a matter of time… I guess also, that host developers will have their plugin implementations done like Bitwig does, and move it into a separate process, that allows easily to keep support for different plugin formats… And crashing plugins don’t kill the host…
- KVRAF
- 4278 posts since 6 Nov, 2009
- KVRAF
- 5556 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
And no matter who is on the “governing body” it will be made up of insiders. Insiders with their own stakes and agendas. And everyone else will be on the outside. And the outsiders will feel like their needs and concerns are ignored, dismissed, and not taken seriously by the insiders. And eventually, some of the outsiders will create their own standard to fix all the flaws of the last one, and finally have the control they wanted and needed. And this time they will be wise and just and reasonable and understanding and they won’t make the same mistakes or be so conceited or foolish or callous and indifferent as the old regime.
That’s pretty much how every chapter of human history goes.
That’s pretty much how every chapter of human history goes.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP
- u-he
- 28076 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Again, I'm happy to discuss this in the appropriate place. It's utterly annoying how you try to keep your issues with CLAP somehow linked to Steinberg by posting in this thread. As if trying to provoke people to play the concepts against each other when none of the people involved have any intention to do so, other than you, obviously.jamcat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:45 am And no matter who is on the “governing body” it will be made up of insiders. Insiders with their own stakes and agendas. And everyone else will be on the outside. And the outsiders will feel like their needs and concerns are ignored, dismissed, and not taken seriously by the insiders. And eventually, some of the outsiders will create their own standard to fix all the flaws of the last one, and finally have the control they wanted and needed. And this time they will be wise and just and reasonable and understanding and they won’t make the same mistakes or be so conceited or foolish or callous and indifferent as the old regime.
That’s pretty much how every chapter of human history goes.
- KVRian
- 1254 posts since 31 Dec, 2008
Thats exactly whats happening here with CLAP after all these years of VST.jamcat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:45 am And eventually, some of the outsiders will create their own standard to fix all the flaws of the last one, and finally have the control they wanted and needed. And this time they will be wise and just and reasonable and understanding and they won’t make the same mistakes or be so conceited or foolish or callous and indifferent as the old regime.
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- KVRAF
- 2433 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
I think some of the points you make are valid concerns, but its difficult to grasp why you feel so strongly against this?jamcat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:45 am And no matter who is on the “governing body” it will be made up of insiders. Insiders with their own stakes and agendas. And everyone else will be on the outside. And the outsiders will feel like their needs and concerns are ignored, dismissed, and not taken seriously by the insiders. And eventually, some of the outsiders will create their own standard to fix all the flaws of the last one, and finally have the control they wanted and needed. And this time they will be wise and just and reasonable and understanding and they won’t make the same mistakes or be so conceited or foolish or callous and indifferent as the old regime.
That’s pretty much how every chapter of human history goes.
I have Cubase 11.5 (soon to be 12), and I am quite sure that Steinberg will continue to develop VST3 into the distant future. The big difference is that they now will have a competing standard, and competition is generally a useful thing. VST3 will have to up its game and get better. Seems to be a win-win situation.
- KVRAF
- 4290 posts since 31 Oct, 2004
I'm not going to name names, but someone in this thread is craving attention.
As a small developer myself, I'll offer VST3 very soon. As for CLAP, I love the concept and I really hope it will get adopted by DAW companies.
As a small developer myself, I'll offer VST3 very soon. As for CLAP, I love the concept and I really hope it will get adopted by DAW companies.
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Yadrichik_Chaya Yadrichik_Chaya https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=531824
- KVRian
- 690 posts since 5 Oct, 2021
Hijacking the thread just to say that you really make awesome stuff! The free plugs you offer = real gems u-he also has some great free stuff (Triple Cheese being my favorite). Many thanks to both developers!SampleScience wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:27 pm I'm not going to name names, but someone in this thread is craving attention.
As a small developer myself, I'll offer VST3 very soon. As for CLAP, I love the concept and I really hope it will get adopted by DAW companies.
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- KVRAF
- 25551 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
He is just a troll. Put him on ignore and don't waste your precious time responding.Urs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:02 am Again, I'm happy to discuss this in the appropriate place. It's utterly annoying how you try to keep your issues with CLAP somehow linked to Steinberg by posting in this thread. As if trying to provoke people to play the concepts against each other when none of the people involved have any intention to do so, other than you, obviously.
- KVRAF
- 4290 posts since 31 Oct, 2004
Thank you! The free stuff is going to be improved this year with round-robin and support for other formats (VST3, Decent Sampler, Kontakt, Reason 12 Combinators). I learned a lot of new techniques that I want to apply.Yadrichik_Chaya wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:49 pmHijacking the thread just to say that you really make awesome stuff! The free plugs you offer = real gems u-he also has some great free stuff (Triple Cheese being my favorite). Many thanks to both developers!SampleScience wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:27 pm I'm not going to name names, but someone in this thread is craving attention.
As a small developer myself, I'll offer VST3 very soon. As for CLAP, I love the concept and I really hope it will get adopted by DAW companies.
- KVRAF
- 4290 posts since 31 Oct, 2004
Exactly!pdxindy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:49 pmHe is just a troll. Put him on ignore and don't waste your precious time responding.Urs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:02 am Again, I'm happy to discuss this in the appropriate place. It's utterly annoying how you try to keep your issues with CLAP somehow linked to Steinberg by posting in this thread. As if trying to provoke people to play the concepts against each other when none of the people involved have any intention to do so, other than you, obviously.