T7 - DAW and Plugin Fader (volume) response issue

[eflanigan]

Good morning/afternoon/evening frens....

Using T7 currently and a plugin from Garritan called Instant Orchestra.

What I'm trying to do/figure out is how to configure things so that a DAW change (a fader/volume level movement) will reflect the same representation within the plugin's GUI associated channel volume fader.

For mixing and automation purposes obviously

I can't get anything to "link up" or respond via any MIDI options/settings I've tried thus far.

The channel fader (to the right of the track/output side) has the ability to adjust midi velocity, but again, this is different and does not move the volume fader in the garritan GUI.

*The goal (if possible) is to manipulate this data via the DAW only. FYI, I CAN draw this controller in, and can also use my external motif keyboard to send the commands if desired...

In conclusion, what brought this about was I saw an older garritan IO video and though the person was using a much older DAW at the time (SONAR 8-9 yrs ago), the video showed this relationship being possible.

Check the 47 second mark of this guys video:


He says/shows the volume fader on the associated MIDI track controlling the GUI's associated channel fader.

This is a real brain melter - it really should not be a difficult task

Thank you to all who may be able to help!

Until then, I'll keep trying...and perhaps just upgrade to Waveform Free

Respectfully,
Eric

[Watchful]

If I understand you correctly, you want the track's fader to control the plugin's internal output control?

Not sure that's desirable, since they're two different plugins. If you lower both controls, your sound will drop very quickly as you're lowering two separate outputs. From the video, it seems more like the author is just mapping that control to the plug in. Again, that seems to be sacrificing some important control for a visual effect.

It sounds like what you'd want to do is leave the track's fader alone--and just automate the output level of the plugin. Or, automate the track's fader but leave the plugin alone.

Alternatively, T7 supported the Faceplate feature I believe, so you could indeed automate the plugin but control it from the DAW itself. If your goal is to make it easier to control the plugin without opening it up, that would be the way to go.

[eflanigan]

Watchful - Thank you for your reply. I do want to automate the track's fader if needed - the problem remains, how to link it to the plugin so that it responds to the DAW's movements (and thus, this data to be recorded during playback also).

Finally, I don't know what "Faceplate" feature is - I will have to research that a bit alternatively.

Just shouldn't be this perplexing! LOL Thanks again

[Peter Widdicombe]

Some points and questions:

- velocity is NOT volume. It often controls attack, tonal characteristics as well as volume. Control on the right is volume.
- Will you be using a single instrument per VST (track) or using Garritan to have strings, brass, woodwinds on a single track? Can be done, but then you're playing with racks and another level of complication.
- simpler way is to use the track volume to actually control volume. This is better understood, and normal workflow and automation. Plus you can change your VST more easily if you want.
- if you really want to have a multi-instrument plugin, you CAN have racks with multiple outputs directed to multiple tracks.
- multiple tracks DOES give you the flexibility to alter effects per instrument (reverb, chorus), or can be done in Waveform busses.

[Watchful]

I don't know what "Faceplate" feature is - I will have to research that a bit alternatively.

Here you go! Might not help you here, but could easily help you somewhere else.

[fde101]

the problem remains, how to link it to the plugin so that it responds to the DAW's movements

The short version is, don't.

The volume controls in the DAW and plugin are two separate volume controls. If they both move together than you are doubling the effect - if both are at -3 dB, you are reducing the volume by 3 dB twice for -6 dB, so why not just set one or the other to -6 dB instead?

Note that you can directly automate most controls in any given plugin and do not need to "map" them to the controls of another plugin (such as the volume/pan plugin, which is in fact a separate plugin itself in the Tracktion DAWs).

[Peter Widdicombe]

Following on - think of the volume in the plug-in as gain control "to the mixer" where you can control/limit overload out of the VST; and then use Waveform/controller volume as your normal volume.