Windows 11 pro as a DAW?

[kmonkey]

How to separate real issues of the ”white noise”, which is always evitable, just statistically concerning global products there are always some criticism, even total pans.

I don't think it's noise or criticism, just awareness. I mean Windows 11 AMD problem was far from noise. By now everyone with some salt in their brain know that one should not install a new operating system and do real work where max performance is needed - because of the development and adaptation issues. This is not windows related, it's universal. I mean it happens with other operating systems as well.

But if you want to have a "bleeding edge" machine then you need to spill out some blood here and there (it's a figurative speech of course). Hence the bleeding edge.

I think most misconceptions come from the logic that newer or larger numbers of iterations of a product should be automatically "better". Logic is ok but practice tells us differently.

[ls1xxx]

Every other version of windows since XP just continues to get worse.

[BONES]

Apparently this is fixed but I would suggest he wait at least a few months more for them to polish things. There is next major update rumored to be released around July 2022

But then you'll need to wait to see if that update introduces any new issues, and the one after that, and the one after that. You just have to decide that it's good enough and dive in. It' snot like a whole new OS, it is just an incremental change that looks very different, Underneath it is still the same code base as Windows Vista.

MS may force the W11 update at some point, though.

Why would you think that? They have never done it in the past.

[spliffy_mcweed]

What kmonkey and ls1xxx said.

Windows and it's ancestors have been around for 40 years. It's a mature technology, they clearly have nothing else to offer until hardware developers come up with 3d holograms and direct to consciousness interfaces. There is no low hanging fruit left, and decades of 3rd party software to maintain compatibility with meaning they cannot change most of their APIs.

Windows is now essentially free, to help maintain the Windows monopoly over freely available operating systems like Android and Ubuntu. You can install Windows 10 or 11 without a product key and never activate it. Windows 11 is mostly about invading your privacy and turning you into the product that they will sell to anybody will to pay. Ads in the start menu, need I say more?

[Trancit]

What kmonkey and ls1xxx said.

Windows and it's ancestors have been around for 40 years. It's a mature technology, they clearly have nothing else to offer until hardware developers come up with 3d holograms and direct to consciousness interfaces. There is no low hanging fruit left, and decades of 3rd party software to maintain compatibility with meaning they cannot change most of their APIs.

Windows is now essentially free, to help maintain the Windows monopoly over freely available operating systems like Android and Ubuntu. You can install Windows 10 or 11 without a product key and never activate it. Windows 11 is mostly about invading your privacy and turning you into the product that they will sell to anybody will to pay. Ads in the start menu, need I say more?

The problem is: There is no alternative!

Mac?? Before I go on a Mac I kick my computer out of the window and join a monastery...
Besides not being better than Microsoft...

Linux??? I sadly haven´t studied Rocket science nor quantum physics...so this door stays closed for me...

What else??

I think what this world is lacking are some serious laws to force guys like Gates and buddies to offer versions without all that spyware and ads...

[AGIGA]

I updated from Win 10 Home to Win 11 Home a week ago. No problems at all, everything works flawlessly. Feels a bit faster than before and it's easier to navigate than W10. Of course every feature that dosen't need to be active is turned off.
Also I removed Apps I don't need with O&O App Buster:
https://www.oo-software.com/de/ooappbuster

My DAW is Reaper. Plugins (VST3/2) from a long list of developers.

Specs:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz
MSI MPG Z390I GAMING EDGE AC
Intel UHD Graphics 630
16 GB Ram DDR4-2666 MHz
Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB

[audiojunkie]

What kmonkey and ls1xxx said.

Windows and it's ancestors have been around for 40 years. It's a mature technology, they clearly have nothing else to offer until hardware developers come up with 3d holograms and direct to consciousness interfaces. There is no low hanging fruit left, and decades of 3rd party software to maintain compatibility with meaning they cannot change most of their APIs.

Windows is now essentially free, to help maintain the Windows monopoly over freely available operating systems like Android and Ubuntu. You can install Windows 10 or 11 without a product key and never activate it. Windows 11 is mostly about invading your privacy and turning you into the product that they will sell to anybody will to pay. Ads in the start menu, need I say more?

The problem is: There is no alternative!

Mac?? Before I go on a Mac I kick my computer out of the window and join a monastery...
Besides not being better than Microsoft...

Linux??? I sadly haven´t studied Rocket science nor quantum physics...so this door stays closed for me...

What else??

I think what this world is lacking are some serious laws to force guys like Gates and buddies to offer versions without all that spyware and ads...

You are giving us Linux users more credit than we deserve. We aren't any more intelligent than anyone else. There is a different paradigm and way of thinking, but a lot of that is common place nowadays and isn't really new to anyone anymore. The strangest thing for me to grasp when I first started Linux was the idea that your software that is available for you comes in repositories. Coming from the Windows world, that was strange to me. However, with the advent of smart phones and tablets run by Apple and Android, everyone is used to the idea that software comes from an app store. There are exceptions to that, but that's really the key. The second big thing is that the various Linux distributions are targeted for a particular audience. For example, If you value system stability over having the most recent software, you would choose something like Ubuntu. If you value having the latest and greatest software, you would choose something like Manjaro. Both are very easy to install systems that provide the essentials for audio production in Linux. I personally use EndeavourOS, but that's because I'm an intermediate user and like a little more control over what goes into my system. Beginners can get the full benefit of the Linux experience without having to bother with other distros. Ubuntu or Manjaro should be sufficient for you to do everything. The third unusual thing about Linux is that whereas Windows has one particular desktop environment that gets polished up between version updates, Linux has many different desktop environments to choose from. This is again where personal choice comes into play. I recommend Gnome or KDE Plasma for most people. Again, it comes down to personal choice, but these are two of the best desktop environments. KDE Plasma has a more "Windows"-like feel to it. Windows users should feel right at home with it. It is infinitely configurable to a fault. Gnome is a much easier interface. There are few options, and few are needed to get the job done in an elegant way. Most everything is very intuitive and simple. What you choose is up to you. The 4th big paradigm change for Windows users first experiencing Linux is the way drivers are handled. Whereas, with Windows, you have to install the Windows OS version drivers from the manufacturers of the hardware you purchase, Linux comes with all of its drivers built in. You have to pick your hardware based on whether or not Linux supports it. It's not better or worse than Windows, it's just different. Imagine trying get a piece of hardware you own to run on Windows 11 that only has Windows drivers for Windows XP or Windows 7. In many cases, you won't be able to use that hardware for your Windows system. However, if its popular hardware, then there are chances that it is already in Linux and works fine. Linux drivers are not designed for a particular OS version (like Windows XP or Windows 10), but provided with the brain of the OS, called the kernel. It is the version of the kernel you use, not the OS version you use that matters--the newer the better. One of the neat things that Linux offers is something called a live installer. With these, you put the OS image on a flash drive, boot to the flash drive, and in many cases everything will simply work. If everything works, then you know that your system has the drivers it needs. Or, you can buy a system that is certified to work in Linux, and you'll know that you'll have drivers supported that way too. I personally use a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga Gen 5. It's a 2-in-1 laptop that also serves as a tablet. I researched and bought it because it is Linux certified. Another thing that is different with Linux from Windows, is that as long as your sound card is "Class Compliant", it will work with no problems on Linux. The easy way to find proper hardware is to look for anything that runs on iOS, because they require Class Compliant hardware too. And, while I'm on the subject of class compliant devices, there is no need to worry about ASIO drivers in the Linux world--latency is managed through the kernel. If you use a low latency kernel and have yourself added to the low latency audio group, you can achieve incredibly low latency on linux with the Class Compliant hardware. This is quite different from Windows, where class compliant drivers are often slow and untuned for speed. It's a paradigm change. Aside from that, Linux runs pretty much like Windows. There is more learning involved, but it's not "rocket science"--it's simply learning the Linux way of doing things....just like you learned the Windows way of doing things. The beauty of it all though, is that you can have increased flexibility and efficiency at the cost of a learning curve. You never have to worry about companies spying on you (telemetry) or being told that you can't do things your way. There are no fees involved, and the software remains available for usage year after year. Oh, and one other thing that is really cool...Linux has, over the last 20 years, developed a Windows API layer that runs Windows programs at the native speed of Linux programs. This is a tool called WINE. It's not an emulator, it's actually running Windows programs and executing the code natively. This has allowed for the majority of Windows plugins to work natively with Linux. Most things that aren't using ilok run fine. There is more to it than that, but this is the basic gist of Linux for Pro Audio. It's not that hard, and it's not that difficult, it's just different. Once you have learned the Linux Way, just like you've learned the Windows way, a whole new world is opened up to you with no quantum physics involved.

Best Wishes!

[chk071]

Purchasing a new laptop - worth to get Windows 11 installed, instead of my previous Win 10 pro? There are quite a contradictory information in the market about it.
(My DAW is Live 11 suite).

I'd go with WIndows 11. Windows 10 update support ends in 2025, so, if you want to use the laptop longer than that, it's best to switch to Windows 11 anyway.

I usually plan with 8 to 9 years with my computers.

Lol @ the Linux mentions again by the way... guy is asking for Windows 10 or 11 for his DAW, and people gotta recommend Linux. Fanatics these days.

[audiojunkie]

Purchasing a new laptop - worth to get Windows 11 installed, instead of my previous Win 10 pro? There are quite a contradictory information in the market about it.
(My DAW is Live 11 suite).

I'd go with WIndows 11. Windows 10 update support ends in 2025, so, if you want to use the laptop longer than that, it's best to switch to Windows 11 anyway.

I usually plan with 8 to 9 years with my computers.

Lol @ the Linux mentions again by the way... guy is asking for Windows 10 or 11 for his DAW, and people gotta recommend Linux. Fanatics these days.

Hehehe!! I'm guessing you are referring to my post above. My post above was simply responding to Trancit's comment that Linux users have to know rocket science or quantum physics to get involved with it. It's really not that hard, it's just different. I could have sent it in a PM, but I figured others may be interested in the same information.

--signed: Friendly Linux Fanatic

[spliffy_mcweed]

Lol @ the Linux mentions again by the way... guy is asking for Windows 10 or 11 for his DAW, and people gotta recommend Linux. Fanatics these days.

Fake news, nobody recommended Linux.

[chk071]

Lol @ the Linux mentions again by the way... guy is asking for Windows 10 or 11 for his DAW, and people gotta recommend Linux. Fanatics these days.

Fake news, nobody recommended Linux.

I'm sorry. Offtopic talk about Linux then. Doesn't make it much better though.

[audiojunkie]

Lol @ the Linux mentions again by the way... guy is asking for Windows 10 or 11 for his DAW, and people gotta recommend Linux. Fanatics these days.

Fake news, nobody recommended Linux.

I'm sorry. Offtopic talk about Linux then. Doesn't make it much better though.

Agreed. It was off topic. Apologies to all.

[spliffy_mcweed]

Agreed. It was off topic. Apologies to all.

In all fairness though, the sequence of events was:

1. 2 people said Windows 11 is a useless update
2. I agreed with them and provided additional context for why Windows 11 offers nothing of value for users
3. Windows fanboy takes it as a personal attack, launches counter attack against Mac and Linux, using misinformation about Linux that is 10+ years out of date
4. Linux fanboy seeks to debunk him in the worst way possible with "It's not rocket science: $GIANT_WALL_OF_TEXT"

Just because it's a thread about Windows doesn't make it a safe space to only hear nice things about Windows and attack other operating systems with impunity

[sQeetz]

Using my Windows Pro license in Parallels in macOS with an M1 Chip... Everything works fine in there besides Start11....
I've installed Steam in that VM and Portal - Reloaded works as smooth as butter on a measly M1 Macbook Pro 13"
Didn't really expect that.

/offtopic MacOS talk

[chk071]

Lol @ the Linux mentions again by the way... guy is asking for Windows 10 or 11 for his DAW, and people gotta recommend Linux. Fanatics these days.

Fake news, nobody recommended Linux.

I'm sorry. Offtopic talk about Linux then. Doesn't make it much better though.

Agreed. It was off topic. Apologies to all.

No worries. Actually, reading all of the post, I guess I owe you an apology, as the trigger for the discussion obviously was a post comparing Windows alternatives.

I just get a bit allergic every time I read Linux in a Windows thread, because it's very often that people make it a topic when there is no need to.