Which plugin has done the most damage to audio quality?

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t3toooo wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:56 am "Karli's cough detector VSP" is the worst.
But as you all know, It is a purely subjective sensation that should not harm and influence anybody in any case. See it as a kind of " vegan belief " or if you wish a " Vegan cult " A knowledge, whether it is true or not. It is, however so unimportant that it might not be written at all.
Only a few have the right of course but that could "break the mold" and life is much too short to speculate about "conspi theoremz" which in this case I'm shuddering to write about because then its going such a complicated direction but you know what I mean.
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With OTT it's the lemming mentality thing though, isn't it; People arbitrarily using certain plugins, regardless of whether the sound they impart fits with the mix. Apparently it's more important to have "that" signature to your sound than having a coherent-sounding song.

Sonnox Inflator also comes to mind.

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But inflator is just a clipper anyway. Shouldn't impart all that much
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t3toooo wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:56 am See it as a kind of " vegan belief " or if you wish a " Vegan cult " A knowledge, whether it is true or not. It is, however so unimportant that it might not be written at all.
Only a few have the right of course but that could "break the mold" and life is much too short to speculate about "conspi theoremz" which in this case I'm shuddering to write about because then its going such a complicated direction but you know what I mean.
nope, not a bloody clue. strong stench of bullshit.
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MogwaiBoy wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:56 pm We all know them - those popular but powerful plugins that, in the wrong hands, can be hugely destructive.

I'll start: OTT

A recent thread about OTT alternatives reminded me of this Soundgooderizer alternative :lol:

People (largely the EDM crowd) have used this on individual channels, then buses, and then even the master... it truly is Over The Top. As a special effect, sure - but as a shortcut to good mix balancing practices, you gotta be kidding. If used in a heavy-handed manner, OTT is a surefire way to obliterate natural dynamics, punch and even phase coherence.

How could you, Xfer...

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.. the most damage to audio quality in a REALLY GOOD way:

Permut8 (Sonic Charge)
Heizenbox (SXP)
Buffer Override (DestroyFX)
SupaTrigga (SmartElectronix)
BackMask + Mishby (Freakshow Industries)

.. and the precious gems from:

Jack Dark
ArcDev
K Brown
de la Mancha
H.G. Fortune
Inear Display

.. among many others! :clap: :party:

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I've never used OTT tbh ,

but after all this, im tempted to try it.
Don't trust those with words of weakness, they are the most aggressive

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LeVzi wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:01 am I've never used OTT tbh ,

but after all this, im tempted to try it.
It's actually not that bad on a bass track and can be used creatively, but you've gotta be f*cking mental to try on an entire mix, it screws with the phase coherence so much.

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Tbh i’ve left it on master before.

Phase is overrated, i rarely use linear phase EQs
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It's not even about linear vs. minimal phase, it's just that OTT invites heavy-handed approach and it cannot compare with a few small tweaks with a minimal phase EQ. It's like cutting an apple with a hacksaw, it can be done technically, but it's not really a good practice.

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crickey13 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:22 am
LeVzi wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:01 am I've never used OTT tbh ,

but after all this, im tempted to try it.
It's actually not that bad on a bass track and can be used creatively, but you've gotta be f*cking mental to try on an entire mix, it screws with the phase coherence so much.
It's the same thing in Serum though isn't it, the MB compression ?
Don't trust those with words of weakness, they are the most aggressive

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LeVzi wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:58 am It's the same thing in Serum though isn't it, the MB compression ?
Yeah.

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apple was the worst thing to happen to music until beats audio came along. apple plus beats is devastation to audio. as far as plug ins go, ill throw izotope in the arena.

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crickey13 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:44 am It's not even about linear vs. minimal phase, it's just that OTT invites heavy-handed approach and it cannot compare with a few small tweaks with a minimal phase EQ. It's like cutting an apple with a hacksaw, it can be done technically, but it's not really a good practice.
It’s really just two 24dB crossovers.
Any multiband processor without linear phase crossover will destroy phase the same
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