SOLVED - Multisample selector in MSF custom instrument / Preset switcher

[HAL76]

Hi all,

I hope that someone can help me with the following problem: I want to integrate some of my multisamples into a custom instrument in MSoundfactory. I need a selector/browser that allows me to select between "presets" or mappings for different layers (Vector Synthesis).

I know how to integrate one shot samples with "banks" and how to configure them. But I fail with multisamples and as I have seen there is no factory instrument that uses multisample loaders, too. In my tests the banks didn´t remember the changes of the file locations (no parameter for that).

I initially thought about loading sampler (generator) "sub presets", but that doesn´t seem to work, too. Right?

I would like to know if that is possible at all - and if yes get a hint how that works.

Does anyone else work into this direction and is interested in an exchange?

[MeldaProduction]

Hi, I'm afraid you'll need to be more specific, perhaps some example or something.

[HAL76]

To make it simple first: I want a selector/menu to switch between different predefined/mapped multisamples.

- multisamples with multiple samples per mapping/layer
- switch/menu insides the custom instrument that lets me chose from a predefined selection of multisample mappings/layers.

Examples: the instrument selector in "Ideophonic", the wavetable selector in "Crystal Pad" or the sample selector in "Lost Ancestors". I have studied those examples already, but none of the MSF instruments with a generator content selector uses multisamples.

For me it´s is basically about the method. The results may be a vector-style synth with 4 genetrators/samplers with selectable "wave content" or maybe a combination of OSC, wavetable and multisamples.

Question: is it possible to switch between different multisample mappings from insides a custom instrument or to integrate a selector for sampler layers/mappings in the MSF? And how could this work?

As said before I want to make it simple here. But it would lastly be best to have the possibility to switch between MSF presets or sub presets for several reasons. I have tested that as first, but the banks mode doesn´t store the changes / has no parameter for such a change (MSF preset change, MSF generator preset change). Right?

Is there any other way to implement this functionality?

A workaround might be to use multiple instances of MSF in one instrument, but I guess the parameter won´t store a MSF preset change either. A preset/sub preset selector is not intended in the MSF, right?

[MeldaProduction]

Switching between multisamples - I'll be assuming you are talking about Sampler and you have lots of layers (so probably some acoustic instrument simulation) :
a) Using the module banks - that one will require preloading each time you change the settings.
b) Using multiple Sampler modules (disabling the others) - that one will preload all of them when loading the instrument, the switching will be faster then. However in the new version there's actually a way to control that, so initially it could only preload what's needed.

If you want to just switch a single (a few) sample in a layer of one Sampler, you can for example use the manual sample selection.

When it comes to "switching between subpresets", there it depends a lot on what it would mean exactly. I'd go for module banks. But using multiple MSF instances, enabling just one, would do the trick too. And would be easier.

[HAL76]

Switching between multisamples - I'll be assuming you are talking about Sampler and you have lots of layers (so probably some acoustic instrument simulation) :
a) Using the module banks - that one will require preloading each time you change the settings.
b) Using multiple Sampler modules (disabling the others) - that one will preload all of them when loading the instrument, the switching will be faster then. However in the new version there's actually a way to control that, so initially it could only preload what's needed.

If you want to just switch a single (a few) sample in a layer of one Sampler, you can for example use the manual sample selection.

When it comes to "switching between subpresets", there it depends a lot on what it would mean exactly. I'd go for module banks. But using multiple MSF instances, enabling just one, would do the trick too. And would be easier.

Ok that´s good news. It works?

I must have missed something. My changes (sample mappings/paths) were not stored and I have also not found a parameter for multiple samples (just "Sample Selection" for each region"). Maybe you could give me a hint how I have to switch the samples if I want them to be stored?

I have tried to load different sampler (generator) presets, different sampler generator "Regions" presets and I have tried to "import new audio files" into the tregions but nothing worked. No parameters were stored.

I am mainly interested in switching between multisample mappings (via banks mode or how ever).

Multiple sampler modules or even multiple MSF are a great solution for some kinds of "instruments", but I prefer switching between the mappings for several reasons.

I use samples for "creative" purposes. Expertimental approach. It´s not about orchester multisamples or layers of gigabytes of a piano here. I rather think of Vector Synthesis (e. g. RP Vecto) / XY motion, layering timbres and bringing different sound sources together. And the MSF seems pretty ideal for what I am heading for. It´s modular, I have all kinds of possibilities, I can create and use sub-presets and qucikly make a new instruments without loosing myself in lua script. But I just need the possibility to switch between different multisamples / load new ones.

Concerning the sub-presets: I must admit that I am not that deep insides the MSF yet. I thought that you´d have a parameter for everything that you can automate in the multi parameter edit mode - but I have not found a such parameter there and my changes were not recorded.

I want to use/switch between presets for the different modules and their elements for which you can generate presets (eg. "regions" in the sampler module or also presets for the FX). And overall MSF presets for sure. I have found no such option in one of the instruments that come with the MSF nor has Chandler mentioned this possibility in his tururials. Does that work? Can I load "Regions" presets for a sampler module and would the multiparameter record my changes if I load a new FX presets that I want want to use for a switch created with the banks mode?

Please give me a hint. Thanks in advance!

[MeldaProduction]

Well, you are probably trying to implement something very advanced and as you said you don't know much about the insides . So if you want our help, you need to send us some settings with info about what you want to accomplish with these, because everything just depends on what you are really doing.
For the record, you cannot switch between presets via multiparameters, that cannot be done and would actually be very dangerous, but that would be a long conversation.
Anyways what I think you'd be interested in is the "Banks" panel in module settings. There's help, so hopefully you'll get there, it's very advanced though. It's possible that you'd survive with something way simpler.

[HAL76]

Thank your very much for your offer, I´ll think about that.

And yes it´s all amatter of experience - but I don´t see how the Banks mode should make such changes possible as it doesn´t have relevant parameters.

It doesn´t store the changes I make (as usual with all other parameters) when I load new regions, samples into regions or presets themselves.

The explanations in the ? are great by the way. I was a little bit irritated in the beginning because the MSFs manual doesn´t explain all parameters, but the questionmarks are way more practical and very helpful. Quick learning!

[MeldaProduction]

Note that I'm NOT talking about Banks mode in multiparameters. I'm talking about the Banks in the modules. Yeah, too many features

[Chandlerhimself]

Check out this video on banks for an example of how you can do it.

[HAL76]

You made my day - or maybe better saved some of them. Thanks a lot.

[HAL76]

Addition: If you use teh Genrator Banks mode you have no possibility to label and sort the banks as usual in MP Banks mode. I have solved this problem by using a MP in banks mode to steer the selection of the generator, so I can label and manage the banks as usual.