Bitwig 4.2 Beta Discussion

[j wazza]

Do you think the new MIDI grid stuff could make something like the Fugue Machine (iOS)? It seems simple enough but is so much fun

https://grayarea.org/press/fugue-machin ... sequencer/

stacking phase sync?

this Bitwig guy is pretty sick

not sure what this means, but:

you can reverse midi clips and scale them in time in bitwig by clicking the clip button at the top.

to invert midi notes, use a transposer that is modulated by a keyfollow (or a pitch 12), so higher notes transpose the pitch down, that would probably work if you use a key filter to keep things locked to a scale. it could also work with note filters and transposers in a note fx layer instead of keyfollow modulation.

another way to speed up midi could be to use the grid's sequencer and messing with clock divisions, maybe this thing in the last post is doing something like that? you could also use a pattern based arp like phrasebox, nora cm, ana 2, mess with the playback speed/beat division. you could record the midi from these and reverse them as midi clips.
id be interested in something like this

toybox piano for reaktor has some of this stuff

[zengel]

From the release notes:

New Grid module: CC In (I/O), receives a specified control change message from any/all MIDI channels
New Grid module: CC Out (I/O), outputs a signal as a specified control change message on any MIDI channel

If you want to handle the CCs in your Grid, use those modules.
If not, use the Control Thru.

Cheers,

Tom

... You certainly imagine that i want to handle and do 'things' with the grid regarding CC...then...
The input work but not the ouput.
Can someone else can confirm that on windows ?

[zengel]

Ok simple question .
If i put on a track :
a clip that "play" a CC 20 from 0 to 127 on a 1 bar duration like "/"
A grid note with a CC 20 IN on channel 1 and a CC 20 OUT on channel 1
And i put a HW inst behind this to go out of bitwig
why it does not send that CC20 out of the grid.
I also deactivated control thru on the note grid module of course.
The CC is coming in the grid but it does not get out.
I certainly does not do the right things .
If i deactivate the note grid the CC get out of Bitwig thru the HW inst.
Then I suppose there is more "complex" thing to do in the grid to let the CC with his value get out of the grid ?
Thanks.

I just tried it with a midi clip -> Note Grid -> VST Instrument and that works.

See if that works for you.

No it does not . Did you uncheck the control thru so that it should be controlled by the note grid ?

Okay, the first time I did not use Midi learn like you did but rather Control A set to cc#20. Just now I recreated using CC#20, Midi Learn in Diva like you and it works as expected with Control Thru unchecked.

I'm on OSX Monterey...

Maybe it is a Windows issue? Can you make it work with CC#2 (Breath) or CC#1 (Modwheel)?

i tried with CC 1 mod . it does not work to with midi thru uncheck . Of course it works when the midi thru is checked.
Certainly a windows problem then . Can someone on windows can try ?
create a clip with CC 1 for example , in the note grid put a cc in connected to cc out with CC 1 and whatever channel , uncheck the control thru , put a vsti that react to mod wheel and see if it work.
Thanks !

[zengel]

Ok simple question .
If i put on a track :
a clip that "play" a CC 20 from 0 to 127 on a 1 bar duration like "/"
A grid note with a CC 20 IN on channel 1 and a CC 20 OUT on channel 1
And i put a HW inst behind this to go out of bitwig
why it does not send that CC20 out of the grid.
I also deactivated control thru on the note grid module of course.
The CC is coming in the grid but it does not get out.
I certainly does not do the right things .
If i deactivate the note grid the CC get out of Bitwig thru the HW inst.
Then I suppose there is more "complex" thing to do in the grid to let the CC with his value get out of the grid ?
Thanks.

I just tried it with a midi clip -> Note Grid -> VST Instrument and that works.

See if that works for you.

No it does not . Did you uncheck the control thru so that it should be controlled by the note grid ?

Okay, the first time I did not use Midi learn like you did but rather Control A set to cc#20. Just now I recreated using CC#20, Midi Learn in Diva like you and it works as expected with Control Thru unchecked.

I'm on OSX Monterey...

Maybe it is a Windows issue? Can you make it work with CC#2 (Breath) or CC#1 (Modwheel)?

Ok weirder...i did the same thing but with note.In fact it is not the CC out the problem , it's both CC in and out. the CCs functions work when there is 1 or more note(s) in the clip and just for the duration of the note(s)...
Did you have notes when you tested it ?

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[j wazza]

grid device for adding swing to incoming midi notes, and can be used with a modulator out for a step sequencer modulator with swing, if you edit the first step sequencer. Good for using with rhythm generators like note repeats, hatefish euclidian rhythm generator, vermona random rhythm, external sequencers, to add swing and swung modulation. also you could modulate the swing amount itself with an lfo, another step sequencer etc which you couldn't do otherwise, only with automation lanes.

uses a delay modulated by another step sequencer that makes just the 16th notes delayed. adjust the delay modulation amount to adjust the swing. gets weird behaviour and adds extra notes if the delay time is too big. has two slope modules to make it smooth

i also made a version that adds swing to audio by only delaying the 16th notes. its similar but uses a stepmod to modulate the blend between the undelayed 8th notes and the delayed 16th notes. if i did it the same way as the midi swing device with modulated delay time, youd get glitching and pitch shifting.
good for re-grooving loops, can make a basic house beat sound garagey.

i actually thought that bitwig didn't have swing, and shuffle was a different thing, pushing the 16th notes the other way making them earlier, I thought I heard that somewhere, but turns out bitwig just calls swing shuffle, and theyre pretty much the same thing. Is there a word for making the 16th notes earlier? It could be doable with the time shift module

[gnu23]

I got Bitwig over the holidays and have been getting used to its workflow. I'm learning a lot in this thread.

Just wanted to post up a, "Thank you!"

[pdxindy]

Did you have notes when you tested it ?

Yes I did!

[zengel]

Did you have notes when you tested it ?

Yes I did!

Ok. if you can check if it works without notes . Then i will know if it is windows specific prbm ? Thanks . I will send a bug report

[zengel]

Problem solved !!
Thanks to Bitwig team . If we want to have CC passing not regarding there are notes or not...
just put the note grid device in True mono mode !!!
Thanks to the Bitwig team for such a great soft !

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[xbitz]

solving something in true mono is the

level of the Grid like programming in Java using only one thread, some workshop would be nice from devs about how the things work in poly Grid

[zengel]

solving something in true mono is the

level of the Grid like programming in Java using only one thread,

. So Geek.

some workshop would be nice from devs about how the things work in poly Grid

Shure they will do

[xbitz]

drumX4 sequencer (usually note triggered rows so for patternization), velocity, panning, phase signal shifting were enough for me now

luckily piano roll of Bitwig still can see the drum machine after it so doesn't have to figure out which note trigger which pad

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[AuralBee]

Beta 2: preferences seem to be missing / not copied over (e.g. previous zoom size, packs location etc)
Already mailed support.

[D Halgren]

Beta 2: preferences seem to be missing / not copied over (e.g. previous zoom size, packs location etc)
Already mailed support.

Same here, and all my controller set ups are gone