Eventide Anthology XII

[pekbro]

I don't think the NewFangled Audio stuff has any bearing beyond its own. I have the Mastering bundle
and my crossgrade to the synth is still $104. Just sayin...

[jamcat]

Anthology XII includes all Eventide plugins. So no one is surrendering other plugins.

Pedantic much? They have to surrender their iLok licenses, in order to qualify for the "discounted" price. Naturally, Eventide don't tell you which plugins you must surrender prior to purchase either (Though, it appears, you can be assured that Black Hole will usually be one of them )

So you're expecting to expand your iLok authorizations from 3 devices to 6 by paying $39?

[medienhexer]

Newfangled Audio is not part of the equation. They don’t count towards the discount and they’re not part of the bundle.

There was a 2016 Room plugin which they gave away for free at some point and which was succeeded by the full SP2016. Pretty sure that is not counted.

I also have a spare Quadravox, which means that that was free at least at one point in time and might not count.

If you bought or received the H9 bundle, of course the amount that counts towards the discount is lower than multiple single purchases. Because the bundle already discounts the price for the singles.

There is nothing shady about eventide. They have been around forever, just provided Apple Silicon updates for free and so far, all of their plugins seem to be working well and are providing sweet sound manipulation.

[ghettosynth]

I don't think the NewFangled Audio stuff has any bearing beyond its own. I have the Mastering bundle
and my crossgrade to the synth is still $104. Just sayin...

I don't think that it does either.

With respect to the cost vs giving up licenses. I think that most of us are just arguing for transparency. It did not say that I would need to give up individual licenses when I purchased. Like I said, for me, it's no big deal. However, it's not reasonable to argue that you have what you had before because you had all of the plugins. There was a time when I regularly used three of four of my blackhole authentications and I am a bit perturbed that I had to give that up and that I didn't know until after I made the purchase. This was NOT the case with prior upgrades.

The upshot is this, Eventide did have a lot of goodwill in people's minds from past experiences and they chose to spend some of that social capital with this upgrade. I upgraded without really considering things because they have been really good about this stuff in the past.

Now, I'm hardly hurt as I managed to get all of this for virtually nothing by winning the lottery with a few various Freebies or low cost buys, but now that my individual licenses are gone I doubt that the next upgrade will be so cheap.

I'd prefer that they charge more consistently and be transparent about the upgrade terms.

[ghettosynth]

Anthology XII includes all Eventide plugins. So no one is surrendering other plugins.

Pedantic much? They have to surrender their iLok licenses, in order to qualify for the "discounted" price. Naturally, Eventide don't tell you which plugins you must surrender prior to purchase either (Though, it appears, you can be assured that Black Hole will usually be one of them )

So you're expecting to expand your iLok authorizations from 3 devices to 6 by paying $39?

I don't think that anyone is surprised at giving up the bundle license. However, giving up singles is a new move. I've had the free ultrachannel since 2014, but that was lost in this upgrade.

It's ok if you want to base the price on that, but, tell people. Soundtoys does a great job with this allowing you to make a good decision. I have used that process, and, in fact, paid a few dollars more for the upgrade in order to keep a couple of singles that I used to use on my third machine.

[jamcat]

But you have Ultrachannel in Anthology XII. SO you're not giving it up.
You're just consolidating all of your Eventide licenses under Anthology, which is everything they make.

[ghettosynth]

But you have Ultrachannel in Anthology XII. SO you're not giving it up.
You're just consolidating all of your Eventide licenses under Anthology, which is everything they make.

I'll try to make it super clear for you.

Before the upgrade I had
Anthology 11 -> 2 activations
Ultrachannel -> 1 or 2 activations ( don't remember how many)

After the upgrade I have
Anthology 12 -> 2 activations

Same with blackhole which I actually did use three of four activations. So, yes, I AM GIVING UP activations of licenses with the upgrade. As I mentioned earlier, I can imagine that some pro users would be really annoyed at this. I would have liked to have known what the upgrade was with and without BlackHole. I might have chosen to pay a few dollars more to hold on to my separate BlackHole license.

[jamcat]

If you lost authorizations instead of just making a lateral move to Anthology XII, you should definitely hit up Eventide tech support. I’m sure they can sort it out, since I doubt taking away authorizations you’ve paid for is their intention.

[farfadetfarfelu]

I have everything... Anthology 11 + H9 + split EQ + another license of ultrachannel + ultrareverb + undulator + SP2016

So i'm basically paying 39$ to surrender / lose licenses and for a promise ?

[PAK]

I have everything... Anthology 11 + H9 + split EQ + another license of ultrachannel + ultrareverb + undulator + SP2016

So i'm basically paying 39$ to surrender / lose licenses and for a promise ?

Maybe. That's the issue - Nobody can tell you for sure due to the lack of transparency on Eventide's part!

One user in this thread (Louis2001) claimed Eventide wouldn't even tell him how much it would cost to do an Anthology only upgrade, because he didn't want to lose both his H9 and Clockworks bundle licenses. I hope that's just a communication misunderstanding on their part, because failing to provide basic info like this WOULD put them firmly into shady territory.

As it stands, based on others reports, you would give up at least H9, SP2016, and Split EQ licenses to get that $39 upgrade. Whether Eventide were then punitive (Because you've already qualified for the discount) and removed your other licenses, would be a question you'd have to ask them. I wouldn't expect it. But if they did that, IMO, it would cross a line. If you ask them please let us know what they say.

You might expect this sort of behaviour from "certain" companies. But, up until now, Eventide wasn't one of "those" companies on "that" list. They need to do better, and hopefully they want to.

They should be significantly more transparent about the upgrade prices, and tell people which plugins they're expected to give up BEFORE they upgrade. They should also consider allowing customers to CHOOSE what licenses they give up, and pay a higher upgrade price if they don't want to give up certain licenses.

Would be curious if there's anyone out there who only owns Anthology 11, so they can tell us what the Anthology 11 only upgrade price, to 12, actually is!

[Orville71]

The upgrade price from AXI to AXII with no other plug-ins would be $199. Just to clarify, Newfangled Audio products do not count towards Eventide product upgrades.

[ghettosynth]

As it stands, based on others reports, you would give up at least H9, SP2016, and Split EQ licenses to get that $39 upgrade. Whether Eventide were then punitive (Because you've already qualified for the discount) and removed your other licenses, would be a question you'd have to ask them. I wouldn't expect it. But if they did that, IMO, it would cross a line. If you ask them please let us know what they say.

Exactly. Asking users to give up more licenses than necessary without being transparent is disrespectful towards your customers. Once you qualify for the lowest price upgrade then the remainder of the licenses should be left alone. It's not enough to tell us what the base upgrade cost is, it should be made clear how each product impacts the upgrade.

[Hanallred]

I love Eventide but definitely feel a little sour about this last update. A $39 upgrade for someone who owns everything and gets nothing initially feels pretty disrespectful to the biggest supporters. That without even considering all this license surrendering I’m reading about here.

Once again, I still love their plugins and definitely appreciate the upgrade for M1 users. It’s just this upgrade strategy of theirs doesn’t seem like a good business move to me if it makes the most supportive customers feel shafted.

[PAK]

The upgrade price from AXI to AXII with no other plug-ins would be $199.

Thank you Orville. Now, at least, Anthology owners have a baseline figure to know if their individual licenses are worth more (to them) than any discounts. For example, it's possible to know poster Louis2001 is being offered a $160 upgrade discount to give up both H9 and Clockworks bundle licenses.

The Eventide website makes a calculation, using the users iLok account, to show a personal upgrade price. I'm not sure why Eventide wouldn't just show the basis of that calculation? This would make it clear which licenses will be surrendered and, also, offer full transparency in the discount value being applied for each license..

The $199 figure informs me that if I'd bought nothing, and simply paid to upgrade Anthology 11 to 12, I'd have spent around $200 less for the same stuff. Of course, I got to use those newer plugins in the meantime. This may be worth hundreds of dollars to some. I'm not in that category. Thus my personal take-away, from this, is not to buy anything from Eventide between Anthology releases. Indeed, I'd now find it hard to recommend Eventide to someone unless they're buying specific single plugins at heavy discounts.

Given Eventide's praise-worthy upgrade policy for Anthology 10 to 11 (anyone who bought newer plugins, between the releases, didn't lose any money if they bought during intro sales), I can but wonder what happened to bring about such a stark contrast in approach this time around.

[Fleer]

Upgrading AX to AXI added 6 plugins, while upgrading from AXI to AXII adds 10. And then some, the entire H9 bundle