Bitwig 4.2 Beta Discussion

[pdxindy]

What sort of Live performance do you do? I suppose it depends on what live oriented means to someone, but I think the new Note Grid is a significant new feature for live performance possibilities.

This kind of performance : I'm the guy behind the APC40 https://www.instagram.com/tekalfb/

I'm not on Instagram so cannot see it. But yeah, if mainly you are launching clips live, then Ableton has some options Bitwig doesn't.

The Note Grid will be useful for live control of what is happening within an individual clip. Not for launching them though.

[dupont]

What sort of Live performance do you do? I suppose it depends on what live oriented means to someone, but I think the new Note Grid is a significant new feature for live performance possibilities.

This kind of performance : I'm the guy behind the APC40 https://www.instagram.com/tekalfb/

I'm not on Instagram so cannot see it. But yeah, if mainly you are launching clips live, then Ableton has some options Bitwig doesn't.

The Note Grid will be useful for live control of what is happening within an individual clip. Not for launching them though.

On youtube then

[Biscotto]

I like to see what Mulab implemented with the Clip Launcher.
They can play simultaneously with timeline clips allowing polyrhythms, crazy harmony on the fly etc.

[] Peter:H []

MSEG!?
I grabed the Cubase 12 update and I was blown away by FX Modulator.
Sure, Bitwig is way more flexible with respect to which FX and which controls you can modulate.
But MSEG!? FX Modulator can feature up to 6 FX and each FX has 1-n MSEGS per slot controlling stuff of the FX.
I haven't been on the "Where's the MSEG modulator" train ... but now I am. I want MSEG in Bitwig!

[j wazza]

MSEG!?
I grabed the Cubase 12 update and I was blown away by FX Modulator.
Sure, Bitwig is way more flexible with respect to which FX and which controls you can modulate.
But MSEG!? FX Modulator can feature up to 6 FX and each FX has 1-n MSEGS per slot controlling stuff of the FX.
I haven't been on the "Where's the MSEG modulator" train ... but now I am. I want MSEG in Bitwig!

cubase's lack of modulation was why i decided against it a few years ago, i prob wont switch daw again now but its going in the right direction

def want msegs though

what is 1-n msegs?

are the msegs poly? if not you could get the same thing by sending midi cc from lfo tool and using the midi modulator in bitwig

[] Peter:H []

MSEG!?
I grabed the Cubase 12 update and I was blown away by FX Modulator.
Sure, Bitwig is way more flexible with respect to which FX and which controls you can modulate.
But MSEG!? FX Modulator can feature up to 6 FX and each FX has 1-n MSEGS per slot controlling stuff of the FX.
I haven't been on the "Where's the MSEG modulator" train ... but now I am. I want MSEG in Bitwig!

cubase's lack of modulation was why i decided against it a few years ago, i prob wont switch daw again now but its going in the right direction

def want msegs though

what is 1-n msegs?

are the msegs poly? if not you could get the same thing by sending midi cc from lfo tool and using the midi modulator in bitwig

Please. I didn't want to say that somebody should switch DAWs. I decided to upgrade to Cubase 12 to take a look into FX Modulator, because I saw it featured on a youtube feature and wanted to try it out.
My main DAW is and will be Bitwig!

My take away from FX Modulator try out was how valuable the MSEGs are in this tool.
For instance for the Filter module you can have 2 independent MSEGs for Cutoff and Resonance. And they can even synced to different time frames. Ontop as I have mentioned each of the fx modules can have a number of MSEGs.

I know that a MSEG modulator in Bitwig can be emulated by the various automation options, but the advantage of having it as a MSEG modualtor is to a.) have everything in one place and b.) be able to save it as preset.

So what ... DAWs heaven would be
1.) the cool modularity of bitwig, where I can add any modulator into any device.
2.) a MSEG modulator in bitwig added on top.
...that would be the Uber-FX-Modulator

[j wazza]

Please. I didn't want to say that somebody should switch DAWs.

i didnt think you were saying that, i just meant that i may have used cubase instead if they had this when i switched daws, but im used to bitwig so wouldn't switch again now, not that i thought or said that you told me to switch

what is 1-n msegs?

are the msegs in cubase poly?

i too love bitwig and would love it to have msegs

[] Peter:H []

what is 1-n msegs?

I meant to say that each of the modules you can use in FX Modualtor may have more than one MSEG, i.e. "1-n" means 1 up to n (n is a variable/placeholder) MSEGs to control different parameters. Example is the Filter module which has 2 MSEGs: One controls cutoff. Second one controls resonance.

are the msegs in cubase poly?

No, they aren't. At least this is what I know.

i too love bitwig and would love it to have msegs

Yes!

[xbitz]

^^^ what can be compared with each other that's Cubase+Reaktor with Blocks + Molekular +... vs Bitwig

Cubase has a different focus alone but with Reaktor it can be compared with BWS, Cubase has a better piano roll (+chord track + etc. etc.) at this moment this is why I'm using that platform

I've mentioned Reaktor (and not vcvrack etc.) because Reaktor has a similar non-blocking modulation framework as Bitwig has so can be used similarly to Bitwig it no needs different mindset

[j wazza]

i recently got toybox for reaktor which makes reaktor blocks poly, it has similar capabilities to the grid but the sound quality is better, although reaktor is buggy for me in bitwig

[kvrsw2424]

I've mentioned Reaktor (and not vcvrack etc.) because Reaktor has a similar non-blocking modulation framework

That sounds interesting - but what do you mean by "non-blocking modulation"?

[u-u-u]

I've mentioned Reaktor (and not vcvrack etc.) because Reaktor has a similar non-blocking modulation framework

That sounds interesting - but what do you mean by "non-blocking modulation"?

Reaktor Non-Blocks ?

[xbitz]

^^^ almost so not like in Ableton Live where the source<>target macro assigning blocks the target param from further modification

in Reaktor the modulators play with the relative offsets, the base values(HP knob on the image) still can be modified freely, similarly to Bitwig

but the Blocks Base is free one you can check it https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... ocks-base/

[pdxindy]

I like the sound quality of Reaktor Blocks... but patching is so freakin slow, clumsy and limited compared to patching in the Grid. Reaktor Blocks takes far too much CPU as well. I uninstalled Reaktor and will never use Reaktor Blocks again. It is either the Grid, or I got a whole bunch of Eurorack!

[j wazza]

I like the sound quality of Reaktor Blocks... but patching is so freakin slow, clumsy and limited compared to patching in the Grid. Reaktor Blocks takes far too much CPU as well. I uninstalled Reaktor and will never use Reaktor Blocks again. It is either the Grid, or I got a whole bunch of Eurorack!

the workflow isnt great but its only slightly worse than most other software modulars, the grid is an exception as the workflow is really quick

eurorack is a lot of hassle but its worth it for the sound quality, and same with vsts for me

with toybox when you factor in that its automatically poly, the workflow for making chords is much better than most modular vsts

why is blocks patching limited compared to grid?