Waves Clarity Vx

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noiseboyuk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:09 pm
kidslow wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:44 pm So a good use case would be a live concert recording from the cheap seats to attenuate crowd chatter apparent during the interludes between songs? Or the opposite, to attenuate b/g noise during a voice recording?
The opposite. Crowd noise will be interpreted as noise, not voice - it’s trained to recognise single voices and eliminate everything else.
And I assume it can also do the inverse and eliminate the voice while leaving everything else?
If so, Waves has just revolutionized karaoke night! :)
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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jamcat wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:19 pmAnd I assume it can also do the inverse and eliminate the voice while leaving everything else?
If so, Waves has just revolutionized karaoke night! :)
Well the Pro version can eliminate voice, the basic can’t. But if you’re in the Karaoke business it’s RX9, Spectralayers or Acon you need. I did a quick test to see how well Vx eliminates music from a track - ok, but nowhere near as good as RX9’s music rebalance which is designed specifically for this job (giving independent control of bass, drums, vocal and the rest).
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medienhexer wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:37 pm Mercury bundle owners would appreciate more stuff being included in the bundle. Lots of lite versions only for Mercury recently...
Totally agree! Why not include Clarity Vx in Horizon and have Pro in Mercury?

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anyone tried this for removing faint vocals from ambient sound? The demos I have seen are with a pretty strong contrast, but the most useful context for me would be where people are faintly talking in the background of an ambience recording and that hasnt been picked up or was unavoidable during the recording session

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fairlyclose wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:41 pm anyone tried this for removing faint vocals from ambient sound? The demos I have seen are with a pretty strong contrast, but the most useful context for me would be where people are faintly talking in the background of an ambience recording and that hasnt been picked up or was unavoidable during the recording session
Best thing - try the free 7 day demo.
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noiseboyuk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:28 pm
fairlyclose wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:41 pm anyone tried this for removing faint vocals from ambient sound? The demos I have seen are with a pretty strong contrast, but the most useful context for me would be where people are faintly talking in the background of an ambience recording and that hasnt been picked up or was unavoidable during the recording session
Best thing - try the free 7 day demo.
will do I think - if it can do that easily then is a buy for sure

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jamcat wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:19 pm
noiseboyuk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:09 pm
kidslow wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:44 pm So a good use case would be a live concert recording from the cheap seats to attenuate crowd chatter apparent during the interludes between songs? Or the opposite, to attenuate b/g noise during a voice recording?
The opposite. Crowd noise will be interpreted as noise, not voice - it’s trained to recognise single voices and eliminate everything else.
And I assume it can also do the inverse and eliminate the voice while leaving everything else?
If so, Waves has just revolutionized karaoke night! :)
This website makes it with 99,9% accurate perfection... :wink:
https://www.lalal.ai/

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I found a potential creative use for Clarity. I dont usually work with noisy vocals much so initially I figure this wasn't for me. But I wondered: if it can identify vocals vs other sounds, would it bring out any vocal characteristics of non-vocal sounds. Sure enough, it does! I put it on Sonic Charge's Microtonic and Nest and sure enough it brings out these crazy vocoder like stabs and rhythms as it tries to extract anything resembling a vocal characteristic out of a non-vocal sound source. The net result, so far, are sequences vocal/vocoder-like jabs and rhythms from non-vocal sources.

This track has two Nest's feeding Clarity Vx and then some reverb. They otherwise are independent except for sync to the same clock. Also is a dry Microtonic drum beat mixed in. All the strange vocal/vocoder sounds are Clarity processing the output of Nest.


https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/cl ... NwSau63dv0
Last edited by plexuss on Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:10 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Today I tried it on voiceover with lots of room reverb. Clarity failed miserably :) It let pass all the reverberation.
Definitely not a good use for de-reverberation. For this task, Waves and their neutral network still have an opportunity to bring another 'game changer' plugin.

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plexuss wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:24 pm I found a potential creative use for Clarity. I dont usually work with noisy vocals much so initially I figure this wasn't for me. But I wondered: if it can identify vocals vs other sounds, would it bring out any vocal characteristics of non-vocal sounds. Sure enough, it does! I put it on Sonic Charge's Microtonic and Nest and sure enough it brings out these crazy vocoder like stabs and rhythms as it tries to extract anything resembling a vocal characteristic out of a non-vocal sound source. The net result, so far, are sequences vocal/vocoder-like jabs and rhythms from non-vocal sources.
Nice one! I may experiment tomorrow in a similar manner. sounds like fun :)

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Plexuss - nice!
pixel85 wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:49 pm Today I tried it on voiceover with lots of room reverb. Clarity failed miserably :) It let pass all the reverberation.
Definitely not a good use for de-reverberation. For this task, Waves and their neutral network still have an opportunity to bring another 'game changer' plugin.
Yes, this is a Very Good Thing for me. I did some reverb tests and the reverb came through completely naturally. Really remarkable.

For de-reverb so far nothing has come close to Dialogue De-Reverb in RX. It’s offline only, but it’s extremely good, the first thing I’ve heard make good on the promise of the technology introduced by Zynaptiq all those years ago (I don’t know what’s going on with that company now).
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noiseboyuk wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:47 pm Plexuss - nice!
pixel85 wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:49 pm Today I tried it on voiceover with lots of room reverb. Clarity failed miserably :) It let pass all the reverberation.
Definitely not a good use for de-reverberation. For this task, Waves and their neutral network still have an opportunity to bring another 'game changer' plugin.
Yes, this is a Very Good Thing for me. I did some reverb tests and the reverb came through completely naturally. Really remarkable.

For de-reverb so far nothing has come close to Dialogue De-Reverb in RX. It’s offline only, but it’s extremely good, the first thing I’ve heard make good on the promise of the technology introduced by Zynaptiq all those years ago (I don’t know what’s going on with that company now).
To remove reverb i find acon digital de-verberate to sound better than anything else
I've made a test comparing with rx

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That’s not Dialogue De-reverb you tested with, that’s the standard (and not very good) general de-reverb. The two are night and day. Acon sounds not bad, but a lot more artefacts than Dialogue De-reverb.
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noiseboyuk wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:47 pm Plexuss - nice!
pixel85 wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:49 pm Today I tried it on voiceover with lots of room reverb. Clarity failed miserably :) It let pass all the reverberation.
Definitely not a good use for de-reverberation. For this task, Waves and their neutral network still have an opportunity to bring another 'game changer' plugin.
Yes, this is a Very Good Thing for me. I did some reverb tests and the reverb came through completely naturally. Really remarkable.

For de-reverb so far nothing has come close to Dialogue De-Reverb in RX. It’s offline only, but it’s extremely good, the first thing I’ve heard make good on the promise of the technology introduced by Zynaptiq all those years ago (I don’t know what’s going on with that company now).
RX Standard has only basic de-reverb and it's hit and miss for dialogues.
Unfortunately for me, upgrade to Advanced is too big to just get Dialogue De-reverb.

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pixel85 wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:58 amRX Standard has only basic de-reverb and it's hit and miss for dialogues.
Unfortunately for me, upgrade to Advanced is too big to just get Dialogue De-reverb.
I always forget it's Advanced only. I haven't used the Acon, but I suspect it's better than RX's de-reverb.

I never use Unveil now.
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