How many sends do people really ever use?

[valley]

from someone who couldn't code their way out of a paper bag.

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[ModuLR]

[haydxn]

perhaps julesy-boy has implemented a special 'send' filter in T2?

here's how i imagine the perfect send solution to work:

it works in the same way as a rackfilter, but the 'instance' of it that appears in the filter section has a knob on it, much like the vol/pan filter has its own control on it. if you select the filter, you can edit the contents like a normal rackfilter, but if you just turn the dial on it, you adjust the 'send' amount to from that instance. a little indicator/button in the selected filter indicates whether or not that send is the 'output' one.

that'd be pretty nice, doing all the tricky stuff for us... we'd just create a new send, put our effects into it, and just plonk an instance of it on tracks where we need it. and stick one on a track of its own for the send output.

perhaps we could even colour code them? each instance would share the same colour.

i wonder if jules has already thought of this?

[lshea]

How are you guys correcting for plug in delay with senderella and SIR (or any other plug with fixed delay)?

The auto advance function seems to advance the track before the Senderella signal is injected leaving me with a whacking pre-delay on my reverb signal (ok for some stuff but not ideal)

My workaround is to put a corresponding (203ms) delay line on every other track which works but isn't very eloquent.

Any other solutions to this problem?

Lol

[rockstar_not]

perhaps julesy-boy has implemented a special 'send' filter in T2?

here's how i imagine the perfect send solution to work:

it works in the same way as a rackfilter, but the 'instance' of it that appears in the filter section has a knob on it, much like the vol/pan filter has its own control on it. if you select the filter, you can edit the contents like a normal rackfilter, but if you just turn the dial on it, you adjust the 'send' amount to from that instance. a little indicator/button in the selected filter indicates whether or not that send is the 'output' one.

that'd be pretty nice, doing all the tricky stuff for us... we'd just create a new send, put our effects into it, and just plonk an instance of it on tracks where we need it. and stick one on a track of its own for the send output.

perhaps we could even colour code them? each instance would share the same colour.

i wonder if jules has already thought of this?

haydxn,

This is exactly what I was referring to in my earlier post - a simple mixer like (gasp) knob/slider that is a filter whose sole purpose is to send an amount of audio 9based on the knob position) from one track to a different destination track that has the receive location knob installed as a filter, and whatever you want to throw in the signal path on the receive track. They could be color coded. The mated send/receives could have the same color, then next set of send/receives have a different color, etc.

Valley, I wouldn't mind some example projects put up here or over at Tracktionfaction, or adbe, that have simple racks for sends.

I guess what I'm looking for is the 'clueless guy' version of send/receive for Tracktion.

This is really one of the only problems of not having a mixer paradigm in place. Why not bundle it into T, just a filter right next to the volume/pan filter? If you use it fine, if not, disable it or remove it from the path.

-Scott

[ModuLR]

How are you guys correcting for plug in delay with senderella and SIR (or any other plug with fixed delay)?

The auto advance function seems to advance the track before the Senderella signal is injected leaving me with a whacking pre-delay on my reverb signal (ok for some stuff but not ideal)

My workaround is to put a corresponding (203ms) delay line on every other track which works but isn't very eloquent.

Any other solutions to this problem?

Lol

Re:Senderella...
unfortunately you can't fix this... well you can, but it requires a lot of work using custom delays and what not. very cumbersome. For that, you're probably better off wrapping sir in a rack filter, and creating a send that way.


Rack Filter Q:
I haven't used racks as sends in a long time, so I just tested one with SIR and it worked perfectly. Did I miss a bug fix or something. I remember before the latency due to the rack use to throw the audio out of phase depending on how much latency your soundcard was set at. Now it seems to delay stuff properly. Was that fixed? damn I feel stupid..

[valley]

Rack Filter Q:
I haven't used racks as sends in a long time, so I just tested one with SIR and it worked perfectly. Did I miss a bug fix or something. I remember before the latency due to the rack use to throw the audio out of phase depending on how much latency your soundcard was set at. Now it seems to delay stuff properly. Was that fixed? damn I feel stupid..

I'm not sure what you are asking. Racks *do* multiply ASIO latency, but PDC is handled correctly, including for the delay introduced by racks themselves. It's been this way for a while.

[ModuLR]

The pdc part worked.. but for a while there I would get a dalay between the dry signal and the wet signal equal to that of my soundcard's latency. So with a 2ms latency you'd barely notice.. but at 20ms (which is what I usually run), it would become noticeable. do you remember that?

[valley]

I thoughty that got fixed about four or five revs ago?

[ModuLR]

I think I had stopped using the racks (multi-instancing) like that at that point, so I missed the fix. Nice!

[rpc9943]

maybe he's fixing senderella because he is a beta tester of T2 and jules probably is forcing him to make a fix

RonC

[rockstar_not]

I refuse to acknowledge the presence of a certain rodent-like mammal that has appeared in this thread.

-Scott

[valley]

I refuse to acknowledge the presence of a certain rodent-like mammal that has appeared in this thread.

[soma]

I on average use 2 send per channle. Sometimes I use none and others times I use upt to six. It really depends on what type of mix I'm doing but with the dub stuff I use a lot. Mostly because I send to a bunch of effect chains maybe once in a song. So about 14 or so in a song. (unless I'm using chainer)

[soma]

Mod-
I have a friend that is dying to have senderella and godsend ported to Mac VST. Apul I think does ports for free.