What is the future of Bitwig?

[pdxindy]

Why can't Bitwig exceed (not just equal) the features and usability of FL Studio's piano roll? What other major composing elements could be better developed to be the best in the market?

Because development takes time and one DAW cannot be 'best' at everything...

Plus developers are human beings...

[pierb]

i didnt hear that it has modulators now, i cant see anything about that, as in they have lfos etc that you can mod anything with? i can only see that they have mod effects like tremolo, filter etc

You're absolute right, Studio One doesn't have modulation. My bad.

I think I might have been confused by the modulation in some of the included effects:

https://s1manual.presonus.com/Content/B ... lation.htm

[cel4145]

Because development takes time and one DAW cannot be 'best' at everything...

Plus developers are human beings...

I don't know how you got "everything" out of what I said???

And this is not a crowd-sourced open source project where time is donated. So to be more accurate, it's revenue that determines how much development can be done, how many developers can be hired and paid. Bitwig could potentially increase revenue by focusing on improving the basic composing experience to increase the appeal to a wider demographic.

[pdxindy]

Because development takes time and one DAW cannot be 'best' at everything...

Plus developers are human beings...

I don't know how you got "everything" out of what I said???

No worries...

I meant that you want the FL Studio piano roll... another user wants chord track... and another user wants something else and so on. Between all the users, it ends up kinda everything.

[cel4145]

No worries...

I meant that you want the FL Studio piano roll... another user wants chord track... and another user wants something else and so on. Between all the users, it ends up kinda everything.

I don't understand how that idea contributes to this thread. The topic of this thread is the future of Bitwig. It must necessarily consist of different points of view, unless there is a group think where everyone wants exactly the same thing.

[pdxindy]

No worries...

I meant that you want the FL Studio piano roll... another user wants chord track... and another user wants something else and so on. Between all the users, it ends up kinda everything.

I don't understand how that idea contributes to this thread. The topic of this thread is the future of Bitwig. It must necessarily consist of different points of view, unless there is a group think where everyone wants exactly the same thing.

You asked a question and I gave my answer to it. It can happen that if you ask a question, people might answer it.

[xbitz]

What’s wrong with my internal chord detection and scale mode?

What chord detection and scale mode?

(hopefully with scale mode you don't mean the hack of adding notes in another layer or using the piano roll in the folded/drum mode)

For inspiration this is how Ableton Live does scale mode:




This is how Studio One does chord detection and chord tracks:

in trance (or EMD) in most cases enough if you are able to recognize the root note

if there are no double white keys between notes then it's not an inverted chord the lowest is the root, otherwise the next to the double white ones... done, sus etc. notes can be added after the root note recognization easily

btw. C major (only white keys) can be transposed to anywhere no needs scale tool but at least C major should be learned properly

animgif was too low fps, anyway the next to the double whites is the root(if there is no inversion), it can be learned properly too >> https://www.udemy.com/course/piano-chords/ https://www.edmprod.com/different-chord-types/

[cel4145]

You asked a question and I gave my answer to it. It can happen that if you ask a question, people might answer it.

Yes. I always hope that a response to a question will be useful and/or engaging. But I do expect that some will be lame.

[dellboy]

Yeah, and that's perfectly fine, but I wish there was some transparency regarding what direction Bitwig is going to take in the following years.

"Ah, but I may as well, try and catch the wind" ................. Donovan.

[Zacchino]

A quick look in the KVR and Reddit forums and it's clear that a majority of the newcomers and advanced musicians are unhappy with Bitwig's priority when it comes to Composer-focused improvement.

It's not only lacking in Midi-Editing features, but many basic Audio manipulation are either way too basic, and poorly maintained. Same goes with the Arrangement view and the File Browser (no advanced search / tagging) that hasn't changed despite all the repetitive requests and detailed posts.

Issue is, if Bitwig only thrive through the niche userbase of sound designers, and keeps catering to them exclusively, it'll get that reputation of the brainy, tweaky DAW to make mosquitoes noise.

It's always painful when you open YouTube and search for Bitwig, most videos are about people making weird noise instead of actually making music.

I see many selling their license when I've DM'ed some of them, same answer pops up: they're missing key features that even younger DAWs like UA Luna has integrated since day one.

Of course the Comping update was a beacon of hope for the musicians / composers, but most updates are really disappointing in these areas, and the lack of improvement on the current features is scaring people away.

The fact that someone had to create a Wishlist site instead of being hosted by the company itself is weird... For any Tech startup. And I'm pretty sure the call they had recently was just about adding warnings that Bitwig had nothing to do with it, that they won't take it into account for their roadmap etc... (I really hope it's not the case but this is my personal guess).

So this thread is relevant. We need more visibility — professionals would never bet on a DAW for the long-term without a roadmap giving the broad strokes of where the product is going.

[pierb]

A quick look in the KVR and Reddit forums and it's clear that a majority of the newcomers and advanced musicians are unhappy with Bitwig's priority when it comes to Composer-focused improvement.

It's not only lacking in Midi-Editing features, but many basic Audio manipulation are either way too basic, and poorly maintained. Same goes with the Arrangement view and the File Browser (no advanced search / tagging) that hasn't changed despite all the repetitive requests and detailed posts.

Issue is, if Bitwig only thrive through the niche userbase of sound designers, and keeps catering to them exclusively, it'll get that reputation of the brainy, tweaky DAW to make mosquitoes noise.

It's always painful when you open YouTube and search for Bitwig, most videos are about people making weird noise instead of actually making music.

I see many selling their license when I've DM'ed some of them, same answer pops up: they're missing key features that even younger DAWs like UA Luna has integrated since day one.

Of course the Comping update was a beacon of hope for the musicians / composers, but most updates are really disappointing in these areas, and the lack of improvement on the current features is scaring people away.

The fact that someone had to create a Wishlist site instead of being hosted by the company itself is weird... For any Tech startup. And I'm pretty sure the call they had recently was just about adding warnings that Bitwig had nothing to do with it, that they won't take it into account for their roadmap etc... (I really hope it's not the case but this is my personal guess).

So this thread is relevant. We need more visibility — professionals would never bet on a DAW for the long-term without a roadmap giving the broad strokes of where the product is going.

THANK YOU.

You've articulated my thoughts better than I could.

[JHernandez]

That a cool story and all, and maybe you have info I don't, its possible, but there's like 20 (or something, usually the same people) of us here that post regularly.

I see 8.5k members on reddit but I don't see very many of those 8.5k posting and I also don't see an onslaught of give me traditional DAW features in Bitwig posts either. The top post of all time is "Announcing Bitwig Studio 4" with 126 comments.

I have no idea what the majority of those user want, or how many of those 8.5k in fact use Bitwig.


Over at Bitwish, well as of Feb 2022:

1168 votes cast by 251 voters out of (382 users, of the site)
A third of the users hasn’t voted.
Another third has cast between 1 and 4 votes.

Top request: MIDI capture (90 votes) and MIDI comping (88 votes). Head to head apparently. (lol midi comping, that's so funny)

Based on my very unscientific observation I can't say what the majority of Bitwig users want. I don't even know how many Bitwig users there are.

Hey but I have to give props to Bitwish, at least there's some kind stats/data there I can access. Good on Bitwish.

[pdxindy]

Based on my very unscientific observation I can't say what the majority of Bitwig users want.

I don't know either... or if the question even makes sense.

Over time, the people who feel some alignment with the vision of the Bitwig devs will tend to stay and those who don't will tend to leave. Such is life...

2 recent KVR polls about DAW choices had Bitwig doing very well (4th and tied for 1st). Surprisingly so I thought. A poll some months back about best DAW GUI was won by Bitwig. Go back a few years and Bitwig had very little mention on KVR and in such polls. So that is my unscientific observation that Bitwig is doing pretty well.

So I think Bitwig should just keep on with what they are doing and following their vision and passion. I figure if they are happy doing what interests them, that will lead to good results.

[billcarroll]

Bitwig IS the future.

[j wazza]

Top request: MIDI capture (90 votes) and MIDI comping (88 votes). Head to head apparently. (lol midi comping, that's so funny)

what do you mean midi capture? like midi recording? it can do that though so idk if u mean something else