PG-8X (2.0) released

[fmr]

(Also, Arturia's version most likely wouldn't sound as accurate/good anyways. )

That may very well be true. But at least it would open on my M1 and I could get back to making music.

It doesn’t matter how accurate it is. It’s still worthless if you can’t use it.

You can buy Roland Cloud Zenology Pro, and the JX8P model

Not as good and PG8X, IMO, but it will open in M1, which is what you are asking

Thanks. But I thought the Zenology stuff was sample based. Also, I thought Roland Cloud isn’t native for VST3.

Nope. It's synth based, although not a perfect 1:1 emulation. And VST3 too, of course.

[jamcat]

I'm looking at it on Roland's page. It's very confusing. What's the difference between ZENOLOGY and these other Roland Cloud "Legendary" synths? Am I understanding it correctly that there are two versions of instruments like the Jupiter 8, one normal Roland Cloud synth, and one for ZENOLOGY? This is the sort of thing that keeps me away from it.

PLUG-OUT, Roland Cloud, ZENOLOGY... what the hell is going on?
Why can't they just sell you a damn VST synth like everyone else?

I just want to be able to give someone money to buy a JX-8P VST3 plugin that I can use on my M1 Mac. I don't want to rent it. Why is this so hard?

[Super Piano Hater 64]

I just want to be able to give someone money to buy a JX-8P VST3 plugin that I can use on my M1 Mac. I don't want to rent it. Why is this so hard?

Can't you just write your own?

[fmr]

I'm looking at it on Roland's page. It's very confusing. What's the difference between ZENOLOGY and these other Roland Cloud "Legendary" synths? Am I understanding it correctly that there are two versions of instruments like the Jupiter 8, one normal Roland Cloud synth, and one for ZENOLOGY? This is the sort of thing that keeps me away from it.

PLUG-OUT, Roland Cloud, ZENOLOGY... what the hell is going on?
Why can't they just sell you a damn VST synth like everyone else?

I just want to be able to give someone money to buy a JX-8P VST3 plugin that I can use on my M1 Mac. I don't want to rent it. Why is this so hard?

Zenology (Lite - which is just a player; and Pro - the real synth) is the virtual instrument (since it's one of the newer instruments it was launched just in VST3 format - older Roland Cloud synths were launched in both VST2 and VST3) based on the Zen Core technology (the same technology that runs their current flagship synths, like Jupiter-X and Jupiter-80). AFAI understand, it's an hybrid synth engine, that incorprates sample + synthesis.

On top of it, Roland has been building "models", which are subsets of the Zen Core that just feature the synth characteristics of specific past synths, like the JX-8P, the SH-101, the Jupiter-8 or the JD-800. These "emulate" the synth engine of the specific synths they are based on, taking avantage of the alleged superior synth engine of Zen Core. What I don't understand is why they created "models" for the Juno-106, the Jupiter-8 or the SH-101 when all of those had already Legendary (aka as "real emulations") available

Link for the Zen Core page: https://www.roland.com/us/promos/zen-core/

Zenology page: https://www.roland.com/us/products/rc_zenology/

JX-8P model expansion: https://www.roland.com/us/products/rc_j ... expansion/

And you can buy it (at least I had that chance, although I don't find where to buy now). But you can subscribe an entire year for just 99 USD, and take advantage of Zenology Pro and all the models. I remember that buying it was very expensive - that's why I didn't.

[electro]

As I understand it Zenology is not as thorough as AIRA modelling.

[fmr]

As I understand it Zenology is not as thorough as AIRA modelling.

You mean ACB? They are not "AIRA", they are the Legendary line. AIRA just has System-1 and System-8. The rest (the "plug-outs") are ACB emulations.

As I wrote, Zen Core "models" are not as accurate, IMO, but that's the best JX-8P (as in "the only one") anyone has to run on M1 Macs right now.

[electro]

Yes, meant to say ACB. Maybe it was poor sales that caused them to abandon it.

As I understand it Zenology is not as thorough as AIRA modelling.

You mean ACB? They are not "AIRA", they are the Legendary line. AIRA just has System-1 and System-8. The rest (the "plug-outs") are ACB emulations.

[markus.schloesser]

Now what has all this and the totally unnecessary, uncalled for and entitled ranting to do with the wonderful which is the f**king topic of this thread??

[fmr]

Now what has all this and the totally unnecessary, uncalled for and entitled ranting to do with the wonderful which is the f**king topic of this thread??

I am talking about alternatives to run on the M1, since there isn't a PG-8X version that runs on it

[chk071]

This comparison has probably been done to death already, but I had to see for myself:

Thanks for this. Always nice to have these kind of comparisons.

[jamcat]

I just want to be able to give someone money to buy a JX-8P VST3 plugin that I can use on my M1 Mac. I don't want to rent it. Why is this so hard?

Can't you just write your own?

Hater, I was all set to dig in to this one as soon as the source code was opened up, which Martin said was going to happen 25 pages back.

In all likelihood all PG-8X needs is a recompile on M1 to work. I could do that in an afternoon.

[electro]

If an when DDMF Metaplugin supports M1, won't you just be able to load PG-8X into it?
https://ddmf.eu/metaplugin-chainer-vst- ... x-wrapper/

[EvilDragon]

Also, maybe I missed this, but can't PG8X run under Rosetta?

[Super Piano Hater 64]

Can't you just write your own?

Actually, I was all set to dig in to this one as soon as the source code was opened up, which Martin said was going to happen 25 pages back.

In all likelihood all PG-8X needs is a recompile on M1 to work. I could do that in an afternoon.

Recompilation alone won't add VST3 support. That's obviously important to you. If you're prepared to put in the necessary work, why are you sitting around waiting for someone else to act first? You're spending time either way. Spend some elbow grease while you're at it.

I mean this sincerely, and I expect you to benefit from trying. It's possible that porting PG-8X to ARM will involve modifying DSP code. You've said before that you have experience developing plugins, but based on some of your comments in other threads, you have never written a virtual analog synthesizer. If you end up having to jump in and rewrite an analog-modeled filter or oscillator in hand-tuned assembly, you'll be much better prepared if you've practiced. It also gives you a chance to flex on behalf of VST3. Your statements about its worth will hold a lot more weight when your customers can see the results for themselves.

I do hope you'll have customers. In particular, I hope you can set an example for how you would like them to treat you by showing the same patience to developers like Martin that you'd expect others to show to you.

[Teksonik]

Now what has all this and the totally unnecessary, uncalled for and entitled ranting to do with the wonderful which is the f**king topic of this thread??

Those aren't rants....this is a rant:

I'm sick and tired of Mac kiddies expecting every developer big and small to jump up and serve them like butlers just because they jumped on Apple's latest toy or .00001 OS update. All the development time wasted on M1 support so they can be one of the "cool kids" on the block with the latest iToy.

There, now that's a rant.......