Korg Wavestate and Opsix for Win/Mac

[CausticPuppy]

They seem pretty bad on M1, under Logic. Running Native, the wavestat pegs a core, until you play some notes, at which point the CPU drops to a more reasonable 40% or so, but when you release the notes back to silence, so wavestat is not doing any processing, and the core pegs back to 100%.

The opsix pegs a core so much it causes glitches in the audio, even just a note or two. This is an M1Pro, running Logic 10.7.3.

Running Logic under Rosetta, the performance is more reasonable and predictable, but running native they are borderline unusable, and take at least 3x-4x the processor load than running under Rosetta.

I haven’t observed this on my Mac Mini M1.
Logic is running in Native mode; my observation is that the Wavestate plugin barely uses any cpu at all. Even my most intense patch (which pegs the hardware wavestate cpu at 100%) doesn’t go above 30% on one core on my M1, with the UI visible which itself causes a cpu hit.

[beely]

I haven’t observed this on my Mac Mini M1.
Logic is running in Native mode; my observation is that the Wavestate plugin barely uses any cpu at all. Even my most intense patch (which pegs the hardware wavestate cpu at 100%) doesn’t go above 30% on one core on my M1, with the UI visible which itself causes a cpu hit.

Thanks - which version of Logic, and which MacOS version are you using?

I tried wavestat in Logic 10.6.3 (Natively) (edit) and I see the same bad performance, with the CPU going back to 100% when no voices are playing... Same bad performance with opsix too, maxing out a core.

I have Logic set to 8 HP cores, so it's only assigning to the HP cores, but changing this doesn't change anything.

[CausticPuppy]

Waiting for them to make to mature/stabilize a bit before deciding but I have no FM synth except Bazille, so it looks like opsix is what I have been waiting for.

Opsix Native is brilliant. It just about makes me forget the hardware even exists.

It’s kind of flaky when trying to assign CC controllers so I think that’s a UI bug, but all you need is a midi controller with 8 knobs and 8 sliders to get most of the “immediacy” of the hardware version.

[CausticPuppy]

I haven’t observed this on my Mac Mini M1.
Logic is running in Native mode; my observation is that the Wavestate plugin barely uses any cpu at all. Even my most intense patch (which pegs the hardware wavestate cpu at 100%) doesn’t go above 30% on one core on my M1, with the UI visible which itself causes a cpu hit.

Thanks - which version of Logic, and which MacOS version are you using?

Latest version of Monterey and latest Logic version (whatever that is). Both were updated in the last week.

[beely]

Latest version of Monterey and latest Logic version (whatever that is). Both were updated in the last week.

Ok, so that's the same system as me - Monterey 12.3, and Logic 10.7.3, native. It's just that you're on M1, and I'm on M1 Pro...

[SHall1000]

Ok. I have to ask. Does this add anything over the Arturia? Capability or workflow?

[EvilDragon]

Latest version of Monterey and latest Logic version (whatever that is). Both were updated in the last week.

Ok, so that's the same system as me - Monterey 12.3, and Logic 10.7.3, native. It's just that you're on M1, and I'm on M1 Pro...

Oh, M1 Pro...

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253438649

[EvilDragon]

Ok. I have to ask. Does this add anything over the Arturia? Capability or workflow?

What exactly over Arturia's plugins? Opsix is way more flexible than DX7 V, if that's what you ask, and Arturia has nothing at all similar to Wavestate.

[CausticPuppy]

The only plugin close to Wavestate is Korg’s own Wavestation plugin. And it’s not exactly close.

[beely]

Oh, M1 Pro...

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253438649

Yes. I've seen that thread, and there's a lot of noise in it for various reasons (not mitigating issues people have had, but it's not any one thing and there is a lot of misinformation in that thread.)

Performance in Logic has improved significantly in 10.7.3 over 10.7.2 in my testing (and they've done optimisations in this regard). And there are plenty of native plugins that work great - eg u-he stuff, and of course the Logic instruments. But there are plugins that perform dreadfully - these new Korg ones, and most of the ACB Roland Cloud plugins etc, and what the issues are we don't know yet.

Weird that anecdotally people running M1s seem to have more reliable performance than the Pro/Max versions - this may indicate devs have had longer to test them, or it may indicate some other underlying issue perhaps...

[trusampler]

I got my Korg Wavestate patches importing fine, anyone know if we can import DX7 patches in the vst version of the OPSIX ? I know the hardware allows sysex from dx7+dx7II. Is it yet possible in OPSIX VST?

[nominil]

They seem pretty bad on M1, under Logic. Running Native, the wavestat pegs a core, until you play some notes, at which point the CPU drops to a more reasonable 40% or so, but when you release the notes back to silence, so wavestat is not doing any processing, and the core pegs back to 100%.

The opsix pegs a core so much it causes glitches in the audio, even just a note or two. This is an M1Pro, running Logic 10.7.3.

Running Logic under Rosetta, the performance is more reasonable and predictable, but running native they are borderline unusable, and take at least 3x-4x the processor load than running under Rosetta.

I haven’t observed this on my Mac Mini M1.
Logic is running in Native mode; my observation is that the Wavestate plugin barely uses any cpu at all. Even my most intense patch (which pegs the hardware wavestate cpu at 100%) doesn’t go above 30% on one core on my M1, with the UI visible which itself causes a cpu hit.

Yeah, I haven't noticed this with opsix either. I have a 16Gb M1 Mac mini running macOS 12.3 and LPX 10.7.3. I got to around 25% on one core playing chords using several different patches. No crazy spikes or maxed cores.

[Teksonik]

The only plugin close to Wavestate is Korg’s own Wavestation plugin. And it’s not exactly close.

Wusikstation is the only other true Wavesequencing plugin.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/wusik- ... 9-by-wusik

It is far more powerful than the Wavestation since you can load your own sample content.

[SHall1000]

Ok. I have to ask. Does this add anything over the Arturia? Capability or workflow?

What exactly over Arturia's plugins? Opsix is way more flexible than DX7 V, if that's what you ask, and Arturia has nothing at all similar to Wavestate.

Sorry, yes I meant Opsix vs DX7 V. I have the Arturia but have yet to try the Korg. I watched Oscillator Sync’s run through but it is not obvious to me why you think it is way more flexible. What am I missing?

[Examigan]

I just tried the standalone of Opsix and the CPU is usually at around 31-34% without even playing any notes. CPU is an i7-10700.