Cubase to go Windows only (?)

[masterhiggins]

Will never happen. Mac users are at least 50% of the market.

This.

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Not according to this poll, and kvr is the go to for all truths

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That’s a skewed poll. The real question should be, “Which OS do PAYING customers use for music production?”

There are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything, which, if you’re making a commercial DAW, is an important factor. Most of them? No, but enough to render this poll useless. There are even many that brag about it.

[LeVzi]

I saw this on a post on facebook...

By who?

Was nothing official, was just people talking. But it got me thinking about it.

[LeVzi]

For those who think this doesn't hold any water, it actually does.

For one, I can't imagine the devs themselves not just at Steinberg , but anywhere, like having to fix all the issues Apple constantly bring them.

Logic is in house, so that gets the updates anyway, but what about other DAW's ? Why don't Apple make the updates backwards compatible and stop breaking things ?

And would update prices be lower for just Doze over mac ? After all I doubt the work that goes into updates is a lot less for Windows over Mac.

And PLEASE stop this "pro's use mac" utter BULLSHIT. Pro's use whatever they want. If that was the case, we'd all be using Protools to mixdown.

[zvenx]

I knew that SB would drop vst2 one day, i knew this I think between 4-6 years ago, I was just surprised how quickly the time flew.

I have never heard SB even consider dropping the Mac platform. So yes i think this is extremely far fetched.

Rsp

[gaggle of hermits]

did anyone ever tell you the story of Darth Cakewalk and its windows-only DAW? it's not a story many would tell you.

you can get it now but cakewalk the company didn't do so well.

[Teksonik]

There are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything, which, if you’re making a commercial DAW, is an important factor. Most of them? No, but enough to render this poll useless. There are even many that brag about it.

Can you point me to any study that proves Mac users never use cracks or warez?

Can you point to peer reviewed studies that prove "there are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything" ?

One thing that is painfully obvious is that Mac support has caused developers both large and small to jump through one hoop after another to keep up with OS updates and now M1 compatibility.

Do sales to Mac users justify the work? They must otherwise developers would have little incentive to support Mac OS.

So as a Windows user of course I would prefer developers spend all their time updating and developing new software I can use but if Mac support is giving them financial stability then it benefits everyone in the long run.

But I have to admit I'm sick and tired of hearing Mac users whine about "M1 support".

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Sometimes Apple seems to break and depreciate things for no good reason. But M1 support isn't one of those. The reality is, those processors are excellent (fast, efficient, modern). So the work supporting M1 natively will actually benefit Mac end-users beyond just compatibility but also in performance gains. So basically: it sucks that everything needed porting, but it's for the greater good of their customer base.

For comparison, Steinberg dropping VST2 support on M1's and strong-arming developers to taking up VST3 feels far more punitive. The only people ones benefiting are Steiny themselves. Certainly not end-users. Certainly not developers. So this whole "should Steiny drop Mac to punish them for breaking things" idea seems silly in the context of Steiny intentionally removing VST2 in their own DAW [and breaking many existing projects] to force adoption of VST3.

Anyway, that's just my perspective on it. They can do whatever they want. I won't be updating my Cubase license any time soon.

[AnX]

I saw this on a post on facebook...

By who?

Was nothing official, was just people talking. But it got me thinking about it.

Ah right, just a click bait thread then

[AnX]

Will never happen. Mac users are at least 50% of the market.

This.

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Not according to this poll, and kvr is the go to for all truths

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That’s a skewed poll. The real question should be, “Which OS do PAYING customers use for music production?”

There are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything, which, if you’re making a commercial DAW, is an important factor. Most of them? No, but enough to render this poll useless. There are even many that brag about it.

Again, pure speculation

[fmr]

I changed to Cubase because it is the best cross-platform sequencer (DAW) available. That said, I would like Steinberg to keep supporting macOS. But I can't hep feeling I (and all Windows users) have been subsidizing Apple, its users and macOS development in the past decade.

[jancivil]

one of the most pointless wastes of screenspace of all time here

[masterhiggins]

For one, I can't imagine the devs themselves not just at Steinberg , but anywhere, like having to fix all the issues Apple constantly bring them.

They also bring them a shitload of customers. If they don't want them, they can stop supporting Mac. Let's see what happens to their income. It's a pretty simple solution, but none of them seem to do it. I wonder why.

[dionenoid]

Not according to this poll, and kvr is the go to for all truths

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A lot of Mac users among pro's tho. And not many pro's on KVR.

Again, speculation

And companies will sell to anyone, so irrelevant

You can easily find the real numbers online. There are numerous polls/surveys done, they all show the same thing : about half of all daw users are on Mac.
With pro brands and daw's (like ProTools, Nuendo, or Nugen very recently) that percentage is around 65%, while the percentages are much lower when asked for example here on KVR.

It's not irrelevant either. Starting musicians mainly look at what their teachers, examples or favorite producers use, or what the big studios use. For example : When most of the succesful dj's use a MacBook, most of the aspiring dj's will follow.

Btw : I'm not on Mac, just putting some reality in here.

[masterhiggins]

There are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything, which, if you’re making a commercial DAW, is an important factor. Most of them? No, but enough to render this poll useless. There are even many that brag about it.

Can you point me to any study that proves Mac users never use cracks or warez?

Can you point to peer reviewed studies that prove "there are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything" ?

Lol. Can you point to where I said that?

Can you point to where that KVR poll was peer reviewed?

Do sales to Mac users justify the work? They must otherwise developers would have little incentive to support Mac OS.

Yup, that's the whole point. It clearly brings them more money. Otherwise, the amount of work and resources necessary to support Mac would outweigh the benefit to the company. As I stated before, the solution is simple. If it's not worth it, and the impact would benefit the devs in the end, then they would drop Mac...but they don't do it. That tells you everything. They clearly find more value in supporting it.

[pierb]

With all the effort Steinberg put into making Cubase M1 native?

lol no it won't happen