Cubase to go Windows only (?)

[chk071]

And two years is lightspeed.

Says you. I heard a lot of people whining around here, if developers didn't develop a M1 native version of their plugins 6 months after they bought their M1 Mac...

Unlike with M1, all DAW's still support VST2, so, there was much less need to develop a VST3 version.

If all DAW's stopped supporting VST2 tomorrow, everything would be VST3, you can be sure about that.

[Amberience]

Will never happen. Mac users are at least 50% of the market.

Perhaps in your wet dreams!!

Well it is what I have seen behind the scenes, in nearly 15 years in the industry, but okay.

[Amberience]

Will never happen. Mac users are at least 50% of the market.

Perhaps in your wet dreams!!

There are still too many...yes... but never ever 50%!

And still Mac versions of all programms should be at least 50% more expensive that companies are able to hire devs who mainly are there to fix all the compatibility issues which occur after nearly every update apple does...
It´s simply ridiculous to expect from especially small companies to maintain a version for an OS from a company who seem to have big fun on breaking everything with the smallest change they make for the same price as maintaining a version for another OS which has changed perhaps 1 time in 20 years...

Mac versions require at least 10 times the work load so please if you think it would be a good idea to stay on such a shit system then go and pay the price!

Bloody hell... I only just read the rest of this post. But it is borderline experimental. You are David Lynch and ICM£5.

[jancivil]

both Steinberg Nuendo 11 (and Cubase 11 Pro) and VSL VE Pro 7 run vst2 no problem on my M1, OS Monterey.3 under Rosetta 2. All my "DAWs" still support it.
If I adopt Cubase 12 Pro, well I'm already instantiating VE Pro as VST3, I'm unable to feature how Cubase has anything to say about VE Pro running vst2 or why (or how) Sb would undertake an absolute like that.
OTOH, if BFD3.4 has not moved on up to silicon native or to work on the silicon platform in VE Pro then I have a question. A lot of urban myths are growing here, and a lot of it is spread by people that do not use Mac OS or hardware.

[jancivil]

"It´s simply ridiculous to expect from especially small companies to maintain a version for an OS from a company who seem to have big fun on breaking everything with the smallest change they make"

The dispatches from your fever dream do tend to be a bit out there, no doubt

[machinesworking]

For those who think this doesn't hold any water, it actually does.

For one, I can't imagine the devs themselves not just at Steinberg , but anywhere, like having to fix all the issues Apple constantly bring them.

Logic is in house, so that gets the updates anyway, but what about other DAW's ? Why don't Apple make the updates backwards compatible and stop breaking things ?

A couple things:
Steinberg almost dropped Mac support around the time of Apple buying Logic, they thought that Logic would be too hard to beat with Apple branding attached. Their user base was still something like 40% Mac at the time and it didn't make any sense then. This is also when Apple had a significantly lower market share than today. So with that in mind, M1 support will hardly be a reason for them to drop Mac OS support.

The "breaking things" part. I think this is comparable to the CDC and it's early mask "recomendations", most people have assumed they didn't know what they were doing at first, but watching people empty the aisles of toilet paper pretty much world wide in some sort of lemming like panic really if you think about it, lets you know why this happened, if they had told everyone in the first couple months to run out and buy N-19's then hospital workers would have not been able to get enough to prevent covid taking out the very workers you need to mind the wards.

Apple breaks compatibility with updates because they're removing or adding in support for their M1 chips, and this does not happen in one OS. IMO and I'm certain I'm right about this, Apple has been "breaking the OS" since at least Catalina in order to make it easy for developers who changed the code slightly for each OS to port to M1. For instance Audio Unit plug ins that have not had updates for the last 4 years for the most part do not work in Rosetta mode in Monterey. This is by design.

Logic whether it's fair or not probably has near zero tech support calls related to incompatibility because they keep the support only for the last 9-7 years or so of Macs, it's tightly controlled that way. It's obviously a negative and a positive depending on how often you update your computer. Here's the deal though, it's not as stringent as people make it out to be, currently Logic has Big Sur as a requirement. Here are the hardware requirements. https://support.apple.com/kb/sp833?locale=en_US

And would update prices be lower for just Doze over mac ? After all I doubt the work that goes into updates is a lot less for Windows over Mac.

I doubt it too. Everyone assumes that somehow Apple changing things has the same dramatic effect on DAW developers as it does for plug in developers. I think it's obvious that DAWs are much more likely to suffer issues upgrade wise with all the various drivers and hardware available on PC, so that evens it out a bit development wise between Mac and PC with things like DAWs. Of course this isn't true for plug in developers who aren't trying to tie into the hardware at the same level that DAWs do.

And PLEASE stop this "pro's use mac" utter BULLSHIT. Pro's use whatever they want. If that was the case, we'd all be using Protools to mixdown.

Well.... pros mostly mix down in Pro Tools to this day. Not saying that anything else wouldn't work, it's just what most studios use.

As far as Mac and PC, pros use both, they aren't on KVR arguing about which is better.

Personally I'm glad all my DAWs and most plug ins run on both. I use Macs right now, but a server PC is in the future I believe, and being able to use the same software on both is great. I realize it's slowed down development (DP still is a bit funky on PC and probably takes a lot of development time away from the Mac version IMO), but to me the ability to switch at any time is better than admiring the AI in Logic, and the obvious fiasco that happened to Cakewalk Sonar. Ask yourself why isn't Samplitude better than Cubase since they only develop for Windows? IMO cross platform is work of course, but it's not slowing progress in some astronomical way.

[Amberience]

Pro's don't make most of the music, and they don't pay most of the money.

Food for thought.

[Teksonik]

There are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything, which, if you’re making a commercial DAW, is an important factor. Most of them? No, but enough to render this poll useless. There are even many that brag about it.

Can you point me to any study that proves Mac users never use cracks or warez?
Can you point to peer reviewed studies that prove "there are many windows users who refuse to pay for anything" ?

Lol. Can you point to where I said that?

Yes it's right in your post or to be more precise it's omitted from your post. You made no mention of Mac users who "refuse to pay for anything" which would equally skew the poll and "render it useless".

Or are you trying to say that buying a Mac automatically makes you honest and buying a Windows PC automatically makes you a thief?

Anyway you were just slinging wild unsubstantiated accusations that quite frankly just came across as more Mac snobbery

The poll is now trending towards Mac users at this point so if it's skewed then it's skewed in their favor.

[chk071]

Pro's don't make most of the music, and they don't pay most of the money.

They surely make most of the music I come in touch with. But, I agree with the latter.

[Trancit]

Bloody hell... I only just read the rest of this post. But it is borderline experimental. You are David Lynch and ICM£5.

"It´s simply ridiculous to expect from especially small companies to maintain a version for an OS from a company who seem to have big fun on breaking everything with the smallest change they make"

The dispatches from your fever dream do tend to be a bit out there, no doubt

Against you both I have at least gave some reasons for what I´ve said...

I am pretty sure that in the last 20 years apple
- changed 2 times now completely the processor architecture having forced all software companies to adapt their software to the "new tech"
- and at least 10 times (if not far more than that) forced developers to fix compatibility issues because of their (apple´s) updates...

In the same amount of time how often did that happen on windows??
I am not 100% sure but I would state: ZERO times!!

Other than the change from 32 to 64 bit but this was equal to apple so cannot be counted...

This means: extra work for mac users 10 times more or less work but at least 2 times heavy work
This means 10 times less work for maintaining windows products...

And you freeloaders want us to pay for your silly choice??
You think it would be fair to cause 10 times the trouble but paying the same??

And you call me sick??

You can be so thankful that the most companies need every paying customer...
You have to be able to afford consistency and sadly they can not...

If they wouldn´t need every penny they could possibly get, many of them would have dropped apple support many years ago to send apple a clear message...

[masterhiggins]

Yes it's right in your post or to be more precise it's omitted from your post. You made no mention of Mac users who "refuse to pay for anything" which would equally skew the poll and "render it useless".

Or are you trying to say that buying a Mac automatically makes you honest and buying a Windows PC automatically makes you a thief?

Bruh, now you're just adding random stuff I never said. I mentioned nothing about stealing. You associating Windows users as thievery actually says quite a lot. I was thinking of freeware. 9 out of 10 times rabid anti-Apple peeps cite how they're "overpriced." A common rebuttal by Mac users is, "Well what about the plugins you use? Aren't they overpriced?" This usually prompts them to say, "That's where you're wrong, man! I use mostly freeware! The most expensive plugin I've ever bought is $50! I'm free-thinking, bro!" (Usually writing this on their $1150 Samsung Galaxy, btw).

The poll is now trending towards Mac users at this point so if it's skewed then it's skewed in their favor.

Yes, I'm sure that's it.

[cryophonik]

So, the purpose of this thread is that some person…on Facebook…made up something about Steinberg doing something that it will never do so that we can have a useless poll and accompanying thread where Windows users can cry about Mac users for a made up reason that will never happen, right? Ok, got it. Carry on.