Sharing your music.... When it's not very good

[jancivil]

right
agnosticism about everything

[thecontrolcentre]

It's a bit like wanking in public, I guess. Unless there's something wrong with you...it just doesn't feel right.

Never tried it ...

[vurt]

lot of nice dogging areas in new zealand i guess.

[thecontrolcentre]

lot of nice dogging areas in new zealand i guess.

Never tried dogging either

[vurt]

lot of nice dogging areas in new zealand i guess.

Never tried dogging either

me neither, but i imagine if i lived in paradise, id try new things

[vurt]

i just assume that's why kritikon is wanking out doors. otherwise it's just weird.

[jancivil]

So, saying some music *isn't good* steps on some toes, that's life, maybe that fits?

no, saying some music is not good doesn't step on anyone's toes unless they are very insecure about their music. But it does put the toes of the one making such a statement right in their own mouth. However arrogance and elitism is even more indictive of insecurity, or in other words I'm okay, you're not okay

Ya know what screams personal insecurity to me? Constant gaslighting and imputing intent onto people like you know every little thought in their head and be absolutely certain you've nailed it. ALL I said is that some music isn't good, in the context of arguing that the notion that there is no true or false, or no possibility of music being objectively good or bad, doesn't work for me.

"elitism", "arrogance" and all of this crap is just argument at the person. I don't even know what 'elitism' is supposed to do there except be insulting.
(Do I feature myself as the elite in music? Have you ever actually tried to know me on this? That's a rhetorical question, you have judged it a long time ago and this is like a stock insult to toss when you think you found a window of opportunity, like here, you seize on a point and make the utmost out of it in the negative.
I do not, not at all. I have done ok in certain areas and more than pretty ok in others, in others I have failed miserably. I have considered myself overrated a great many times and considered that I am an underachiever, rather. I've been seriously surprised to be compared with what I would genuinely call the elite in music.)
You don't know me, you don't care to know me, you have a giant ugly straw man of me you like to beat the crap out of if there's any opportunity, and you fabricate opportunities quite frequently.

You can't be arsed to engage in a discussion like this in good faith or try and get a sense of what someone is saying, you have to relate implicitly to the person and have a lot of general agreement with them, or 'like them', or here where you've decided that this, that, and another thing are the case about me you can't stop yourself from trying to humilate me. That'sm pretty f**king far from OK.

You aren't making arguments on what's said, you're twisting things to attack a person.
You are not rising to the moment of talking about this. There was no call for this crap, and a grown person should recognize it and take some care not to do it.
The thing my mother will have said is 'he's jealous'. Got me? It's bizarre that anyone would think someone needs to constantly take shit off them.

[Hink]

so you nekroed a post 12 years old to say there is something wrong with me?

No thank you

[PatchAdamz]

Sharing your music allows you to get better by hearing others responses.

[kritikon]

i just assume that's why kritikon is wanking out doors. otherwise it's just weird.

There are so few people hereabouts that one can get a suntan on parts rarely exposed to the sun.

[Hink]

i just assume that's why kritikon is wanking out doors. otherwise it's just weird.

There are so few people hereabouts that one can get a suntan on parts rarely exposed to the sun.

when I was in boot camp they shaved my head, I got a sunburn on the top of my ears

[kritikon]

You see lots of the old timers around here with bits chewed off the top of their ears. High UV here over the years and it's a common thing to get melanomas etc on the top of the ears which need lopping off. Either that or the possums have been having a nibble on them when they were sleeping.

[ghettosynth]

i just assume that's why kritikon is wanking out doors. otherwise it's just weird.

There are so few people hereabouts that one can get a suntan on parts rarely exposed to the sun.

when I was in boot camp they shaved my head, I got a sunburn on the top of my ears

There are two kinds of men in this world, those who spent time in boot camp, and those that haven't.

The shitters in boot camp didn't have doors, or walls, just shitters. Shitter number one was right next to shitter number two, then shitter number three, and shitter number four. There they were, all in a row. The first week fellers were figuring out how to shit in private. They would hold that pressing engagement until later in the evening, at whatever the cost. After a few weeks of crazy PT combined with greasy eggs and it was all over. We were all joking and smoking while we were wiping.

If you've never counter-column marched with the logs, you really don't know what you're missing.

[BONES]

We had two rows without doors, facing each other. As a naive 17 year old, it was a real challenge for me.

I'm not sure I even get why people want to share it out there. I do get it if you want to "make it" in any way, but personally I have no desire to put what I do out there. It's for me, was always for me, not for anyone else. Even my missus gets peeved when I get all non-committal about any recent tracks I've done - she wants to hear them and be all supportive etc. Generally I play them just to keep the peace, but she doesn't get it that I don't care what she thinks of it - even if it's shite.

I'm sort of like that about our releases. My bandmate checks the charts and reads all the reviews but I mostly don't care, as long as we get to play live. It's the playing live thing that I really enjoy, everything else is about creating those opportunities for me. No member of my family and only three of my (many) friends have ever seem me play and I never play our music for anyone else. I tell them where they can find it but I doubt too many people who feign interest ever bother to actually look it up.

Actually, it was selling music decades ago that really decided for me that I hated that whole process. I easily own up to the fact I made far better music when I collaborated, but doing it to sell to a timetable, working with others in a different and frustrating way, having to consider markets and tastes and customers etc...hated every minute of it.

I'm a bit the opposite here. Collaborating makes for way better music than I could ever hope to do by myself and, at the end of the day, I want to make the best music I possibly can. We'd never worked to a schedule before our last album, where we decided we needed to to get us off our arses. It resulted in not only the best album we've ever made but the standard is way beyond anything I'd have thought us capable of. So we're keen to repeat the process and see if lightning can strike twice.

Sharing your music allows you to get better by hearing others responses.

Only if you can get it heard by people who might actually have something worthwhile to contribute. In my entire life that has been basically just my bandmate so he's the only one that playing anything to has resulted in useful feedback.

[ghettosynth]

We had two rows without doors, facing each other. As a naive 17 year old, it was a real challenge for me.

You do realize that even though I think that you're a narcissistic asshole, that we're friends now, right?