I really miss the good old days (stability)

[machinesworking]

actually, i have had cubase crashes so severe that I have had to force xp shut with the power button.

Do you still have Logic PC?
5.5 was stable on mac anyway!

I happen to be one of the few mac owners that has this crash bug with Logic 7, about once a day, sucks because I've been lucky with Logic, started with 4.73 and really had no crash style bugs for all these years...
Seems to hit only certain configurations, very PC like bug oddly enough... With you're luck you would be right here with me, waiting for the bugfix update. Well probably not, I have a dual Gig that a friend of mine made out of beta mac parts, it's not really like any dual Gig they released really, so if a peice of software is going to be weird on a mac, it would be mine!

6 is still pretty dammed stable though!

[MDMAchine]

My advice for VST's is install one at a time, and make sure they work!

there is a big hole in that theory. that's what I used to think too. the problem comes with certain combinations of various vendors' plugs in a project. there are too many variables here to ever work out what crashes what.
I have some examples.

v-station. works fine 80% of the time. It seems if i have a project with many other plugs in it though, it poofs cubase. which plugin it is conflicting with? i have no idea.

superwave (bundle). if i load a superwave and use it in ia new track, all works fine. once i close that song and attempt to load another song containing superwave, poof.

these are only 2 of many. i am telling you it is in the combination. this is the key. the difference with outboard gear is that all the processors are independant.

for example, i remember with moog modular 2, and it still happens, if i load a MM2 into a project, ANY other plugin after that is just a blank gui.! it took me soo long to bloody narrow the problem down to mm.

I really am getting over it.

If i was to buy a mac, logic 7, NO third party instr or effects EVER, i bet i could run 24/7 without a crash

Very true as I do know about the V-station issue, which I had to remove it, due to that.... So I cant say that I never have problems, but over time I have worked it out pretty well. But you are right! I do see issues with certain combinations same with bass station which also went bye bye.

Minimoog V used to be that problem too but the update fixed that. Never did have issues with the modualr one, though?

Same with CS-80 thank god they finally updated that too! Works 10x better!

I really look forward to arturia's ARP 2600 project

But not to sway offtopic you are correct about the certain combinations, that takes alot of time to get it down to a stable envirment! So I stand corrected, I guess I just got my setup worked out now to be very stable... I find ableton to be pretty good n stable (so far... I just got it), aside from I cant use RealGuitar...

[Sascha Franck]

If i was to buy a mac, logic 7, NO third party instr or effects EVER, i bet i could run 24/7 without a crash

Forget about it. Read the LUG and you'll know.

Anyways, ttoz, I seriously think you're doing *something* wrong with your machine - I wouldn't happen to know what this *something* was, but I remember your more or less recent thread about certain optimizations giving you an extra instance of Ambience...

Now, did it ever cross your mind that those optimizations could've done something positive to your machine's performance while at the same time making it less stable?
At least that's my experience from the past. Until a while back, when PCs were less powerful, I tried to squeeze every little bit of horsepower out of them, testing all the tweaks floating around. The only thing I seem to have noticed being that at one point things were just getting less stable.
Now, since 1-2 years I almost leave any critical settings (such as services and the likes) untouched, because my experience is/was that they seem to actually DO affect general stability, even if they shouldn't. At least when "mass-applied".
Having said that, I usually just stick with the standard XP tweakings (basically everything the OS allows on a "normal user" rather than on an "expert" level) and everything's just fine.
ALL PCs I configured during the last 1-2 years (and I use to configure quite some of them, for the music uni, some friends, myself, etc...) just don't crash unless I'm using certain software, namely some betas and, uhm... Cubase SX.
SX has proveably been the most crashy of the hosts I've been using - but even those crashes are VERY rare (fwiw, I have around 3 songs that will crash reproduceably when opening the Kompakt UI while they're playing - something NEVER happening in Logic for instance).
Apart from that I just don't experience ANY crashes.
Seriously, there's 2 methods to make my XPs crash:
- Using certain 3rd party plugins inside Logic (we all know about that, but meanwhile I sorted them out).
- Using SX. It doesn't usually crash due to reproduceable situations (apart from the one mentioned above), it's rather unpredictable.

Others than that, the systems I configured for music useage just don't crash. Never. And they're all sorts of different machines.

As allready pointed out, from what it seems you're just jumping into modifications too quickly. You don't allways need the latest driver, the latest update of whatever and the latest optimization hack around.
The "never change a running system" saying actually is true. And in case you actually DO change it, back it up before!
And that's by no means different on Macs. They're not more stable than Windows machines either. Admittedly OSX is a bit easier to maintain than Windows (especially system restorage or imaging is quite nice), but it's not anymore stable per se at all.
I've just been dealing with a Mac constantly freezing (like, a hard reset is required) when just plugging in an external USB drive, which is working on all other Macs I tried with. On another machine I had Logic (Pro 6) crashes out of the blue, not using any 3rd party plugin. These things don't happen on my PCs.

Recently I've been doing quite some sessions, recording (16x multitrack), cutting, mangling and editing tons of stuff week by week. Not a single crash.

Seriously, something seems to be wrong regarding your tweaking approach.
Personally, I don't give a rats ass whether I can run another instance of Ambience. If there's one thing I want/need it's got to be stability. And my machine's ARE stable.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[MDMAchine]

I would hate to use Linux for music, as I like to make music, not muck around with the OS. I never could get into Linux, it was way more troublesome than XP.

Say an audio software company makes a turnkey version of Linux for it's host, then you have the fastest, leanest OS designed with audio in mind, without all the nonsense of XP or OSX.
f**k I don't know? Sounds good to me? and yeah I know it's a pipe dream.

Linux is the way of the future for music, as you can defintly squeeze the most poerformance power out of your cpu! I already know a few pople who have decided to make music in nothing but Linux!

I wouldnt advise that just yet, but there are alot of linux udio tools already out there!

http://sound.condorow.net/
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1511
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/

Also these people whom I know are working on thier own software as well, if I ever hear anything I'll let you guys know....

But I say get mandrake and learn linux today, it will be the best working enviorment very soon! IMO

[Sascha Franck]

But I say get mandrake and learn linux today, it will be the best working enviorment very soon! IMO

Hold on - how comes I've heard that before?
Hm... was it like 5 years ago?

It won't happen. Sad but true, it just won't.

[püRe]

Every single sequencer crash I've had in the last 6 months was due to a [free] Synthedit plugin...

I'm not pointing at anyone - just stating the facts...

[WilliamK]

Hummm, I remember my first video-game. It had only Left and Right and one push. After was my Atari that had Up, Left, Down, Right and also only one push-bt. After came my first Nintendo-NES, with 3 extra knobs. Latter came the N64 with one analog-stick and now my Gamecube with 2 of those. Where this will end?!



Wk

[Kingston]

Now, since 1-2 years I almost leave any critical settings (such as services and the likes) untouched, because my experience is/was that they seem to actually DO affect general stability, even if they shouldn't. At least when "mass-applied".

I remember ttoz's "extra ambience instance" tweak thread. As an extremely long time tweak expert I can say that kind of boost is not only bullshit, but as Sascha said, a very likely stability removal.

On XP, the biggest tweaked performance boost nowadays, is about 20-30mb less memory usage depending on network needs, and hence I don't bother: anything else will generally affect stability. The background task tweak is a very YMMV type thing, depending on host and HD usage. (I need it thanks to BFD)

I'm thinking ttoz has fux0red his setup with all the tweaks as well.

[MDMAchine]

But I say get mandrake and learn linux today, it will be the best working enviorment very soon! IMO

Hold on - how comes I've heard that before?
Hm... was it like 5 years ago?

It won't happen. Sad but true, it just won't.

ok?

sadly it already is the best working enviroment, you just need to know how to use it.

what I ment to say is, it will be more user freindly soon, for all noobs

Everything you have for any other OS is already there, and almost anything that uses about 50% cpu on windows, would generally use 20% or less on linux.

But you just have to know how to use Linux in oder to get "todays" software to work right with your hardware, etc...

apt-get is already on the right path though...

Long live Debian!

[MDMAchine]

Now, since 1-2 years I almost leave any critical settings (such as services and the likes) untouched, because my experience is/was that they seem to actually DO affect general stability, even if they shouldn't. At least when "mass-applied".

I remember ttoz's "extra ambience instance" tweak thread. As an extremely long time tweak expert I can say that kind of boost is not only bullshit, but as Sascha said, a very likely stability removal.

On XP, the biggest tweaked performance boost nowadays, is about 20-30mb less memory usage depending on network needs, and hence I don't bother: anything else will generally affect stability. The background task tweak is a very YMMV type thing, depending on host and HD usage. (I need it thanks to BFD)

I'm thinking ttoz has fux0red his setup with all the tweaks as well.

This is very true most tweaks are pointless, other than turning off stupid things like recent documents (no1 wants thier GF to find the porn they looked at? LOL) but thats not a "tweak" mabye turn of the QoS or whatever... thats about it LOL

[Kingston]

Everything you have for any other OS is already there, and almost anything that uses about 50% cpu on windows, would generally use 20% or less on linux.

But you just have to know how to use Linux in oder to get "todays" software to work right with your hardware, etc...

apt-get is already on the right path though...

Long live Debian!

let me see you do a big music production on linux, and I'll happily join your crusade.

Unfortunately, just about none of my *music and audio related* software will ever be ported to linux...

Congratulations for sticking in the trenches, but for music it's just useless.

[MDMAchine]

Hehe like I said...

I already know people who produce in linux already 100% I will talk to them and get thier permission to post a link to a song or 2 so you can hear it.

And mabye... just mabye.. if I have the time to tinker around and set things up I will try a 100% linux song!!!

And i will happily post it! LOL

But dont expect much, and I know about the porting thing! Thats the main reason why i still have winxp on my computers is because of that fact.

Although there already is win98 emulation in linux (it runs as an app!) but it has sound problems (some music software dont work right) but it may stabliize more in the future, and pearpc runs mac os? So these are cool pointers that are useless today, but mabye usefull tomoorw?

Anyways if I make that song, I'll post it in music cafe and name it:

[LINUX] nameofsonghere
and ill be sure to bump it for 2-3 days so you can see it

Soemtime soon when I am non lazy, LOL

But i will talk to my freind who already does it and see if I can post that in the next couple days...

MD

[macha]

I am seriously considering just selling EVERYTHING and starting over.

better jump to a G5 and logic 7. You ll be in walhalla.i have 380 audio units with AU vaildation. no crashes caused by 3rd party stuff! stable and reliable.

[TristezaOrange]

Flip-flopper

Stone him to death