Ableton Live sounds louder than Logic Pro 9 ?!

[ste0mac]

guys I'm not the problem lol

what I said was that I did the same in Live and then in Logic and the sound in terms of volume was not equal ... peak volume was the same in both songs (0db) but in Logic sound was not so high as in Live which is weird ... I used the same plugins and the same presets and gives louder than another?! I do not think this is the pan law .. i have enabled it and the sound remains the same .... I love Logic but in the end I'm disappointed .. and Live in the end is more present and louder .. but I prefer the logic to work .. so my question ... I have something wrong in Logic?

Thanks guys

[rp314]

The logic of it is: it's either you or Logic.

Look, there's plenty of existing info on this, a good deal of it from the software companies themselves. For example:

Loudness - In a comparison, louder always sounds 'better' than quieter. It's almost guaranteed that the same track rendered from any two DAWs will be a few dB different and so this is the most common cause of the 'DAW wars'. The louder of two otherwise identical sounds will seem to have more bass and clearer high frequencies (as Bob Katz, mastering engineer, describes). This comes from the way our ears work, not anything in the audio itself. So yes, one DAW really did sound better, because it was louder. This is why people are so adamant on the Internet forums, because they really did hear it with their own ears. Compounding the problem, these small differences may not be apparent from casual inspection of the peak metering. "Yeah the levels were the same". No, they probably weren't. Be very careful, level differences of 1-3 dB may not even seem 'louder' but do sound 'clearer', 'bassier' or 'crisper'. As a rule-of-thumb, 1 dB is about the smallest level difference listeners can detect in a mix (0.2~0.5 dB in a laboratory setting). So if you are comparing audio from various sources they need to be matched to within 0.5 dB! Seriously. Everything needs to be the same, especially the audio files you use for comparisons. Apart from basic mix decisions there are a number of reasons why sound rendered from FL Studio may be quieter/louder than another DAW.

Taken from http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHel ... _audio.htm where you can find additional analysis on the possible causes and advice that is probably applicable to all DAWs.

[mcnoone]

what I said was that I did the same in Live and then in Logic and the sound in terms of volume was not equal ... peak volume was the same in both songs (0db) but in Logic sound was not so high as in Live which is weird ...

Thanks guys

I agree.
I get the same thing here, except in Logic8.
Logic simply has more headroom before it peaks.
That's a monitoring thing though, and is also with other daws as well.
For me though, it doesn't have an effect on the mix down output results.

[2BTruman]

I had the same experience. Logic sounds flabbier to me. Ableton sounds more solid. I have been using both for years and i can add that Pro Tools sounds smaller than Logic.

[ghettosynth]

I had the same experience. Logic sounds flabbier to me. Ableton sounds more solid. I have been using both for years and i can add that Pro Tools sounds smaller than Logic.

Well I find that Pro-Tools sounds more pro, of course it does though, it's right there in the name. Whereas cakewalk sounds a bit too sweet, a bit like grandma's breast milk.

I've heard that that this might be related to how the devs have configured the use of trinary logic for the mix engine. As you know, trinary logic doesn't work in bits, it uses trits. Well, trits are incompatible with bits and most of your software only uses bits. Hence, you have have to use the binary compatible trinary logic which works in twits. Live puts twit.dll in the right place for you because, well, they don't want you calling tech support over dumb ass shit and not being able to make your bangers louderer. Logic and Pro-tools are also used by people making old-timey music and so they may prefer to fall back on binary logic. They all have it in there though, you just have to be willing to embrace the internal twit to get Logic and Pro-Tools to make your bangers rock.

[bangaio]

How on earth do you find ten year old posts like this to pick up?!

[thecontrolcentre]

Live goes up to 11 ...

[crickey13]

Cubase sounds analog, Ableton sounds full but sterile, Logic sounds flabby and lifeless, PT sounds chintzy, Renoise sounds harsh and digital, FL sounds fruity, Reason sounds woody, Bitwig sounds tinny and Reaper sounds like Windows 98. Have I missed something?

[ssl4000]

Have I missed something?

yes

[BertKoor]

Amazing. In almost 10 years, Logic went from v9 to 10.7 while FireFox versions went totally off the scale.

[jancivil]

Before I could mix ITB really at all, it seemed to me Cubase exported audio that was notably quieter than what I got in the project. It hasn't struck me like that, or to be a difference I could be confident in reporting for a long time. I've used Logic but not to produce my music. Have done in no other DAW than Cubase or Nuendo actually.

[vurt]

Live goes up to 11 ...

[jancivil]

The one thing other than I have played around with intensively was Reason. Reason's FX have a certain sound.
really it's plastic of some type. Could be one is led by the skeumorphisms to say 'wood'.

If yer using the DAW's internal FX, or panning there can be wide differences.

My sound is really coming from VE Pro and plugins in that, fortunately Cubendo has a transparent audio engine