Transparent reverb?

[Music Engineer]

I guess, that the order of EQ and reverb doesn't matter, perhaps is true only for convolution reverb where there's no modulation going on. Otherwise it should have some differences.

the assumption is that both EQ and reverb are LTI systems - which means that their action on signals is to convolve it with their impulse response. but it does not necesarrily have to run a convolution algorithm literally. IIR-filters for example don't run a convolution engine, but still you can think of them as applying a convolution. as soon as you have non-LTI systems, the system can't be represented by a convolution anymore, so for reverbs with modulation, the theory doesn't apply. but i would think the effects of the modulation are negligible in practice as we are dealing with some really slow ('adiabatic') modulation here mostly

[rubez]

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Is there a 2022 answer to this question?

I need a high quality reverb that sounds realistic and not colour my synth.

[aMUSEd]

Nimbus is my go to for transparency and high quality - although iZotope seem slow to update it

[aMUSEd]

If you have Studio One the built in Room Reverb is actually really good

[jancivil]

Interesting...from what we've experience in the studio is that when you let bad frequency pass through the reverb it seems to be enhanced by it...longer tails...I can it's not in your mathematical scheme? Please explain.

i don't see a contradiction here. sure, if you let 'bad frequencies' pass into the reverb, they will be lengthened by the tails. if you filter them out before, they wont. but you may equally as well filter them out afterwards

NO. Simply no. Does the obvious really need explaining?

And it sure looks like your initial assertion, it can't matter, before or after the 'verb is the exact same statement as saying "filtering the dry signal is the same as filtering (or EQing) the reverb channel."

If there's a whole lot of bass for instance, and it doesn't matter what kind of reverb we're talking about, it's going to do stuff reverberated it isn't doing otherwise that can_be_avoided, which being reality now simply are not going to be addressed adequately after-the-fact. You'll be removing information. C'mon.

[muki]

I need a high quality reverb that sounds realistic and not colour my synth.

imho
flux IRCAMverb
https://www.flux.audio/project/ircam-verb-v3/

also the SSL flexverb sounds imho quite light/easy/transparent
https://store.solidstatelogic.com/plug- ... e-flexverb

lookout for sales:
used to be in the 30ies range some weeks ago
also flux has sales from time to time, also there is a cheaper light version

[maddoug619]

IMO Fabfilter Pro-R is the best for the task. I don't like much it's presets, but if you take a time to get used to the interface you can easily create a reverb that give the sense of space without occupying much space in the mix (if that makes sense). And in addition to that I would suggest trying a slapback delay, maybe it can do the trick.

[Unaspected]

Interesting...from what we've experience in the studio is that when you let bad frequency pass through the reverb it seems to be enhanced by it...longer tails...I can it's not in your mathematical scheme? Please explain.

i don't see a contradiction here. sure, if you let 'bad frequencies' pass into the reverb, they will be lengthened by the tails. if you filter them out before, they wont. but you may equally as well filter them out afterwards

NO. Simply no. Does the obvious really need explaining?

And it sure looks like your initial assertion, it can't matter, before or after the 'verb is the exact same statement as saying "filtering the dry signal is the same as filtering (or EQing) the reverb channel."

If there's a whole lot of bass for instance, and it doesn't matter what kind of reverb we're talking about, it's going to do stuff reverberated it isn't doing otherwise that can_be_avoided, which being reality now simply are not going to be addressed adequately after-the-fact. You'll be removing information. C'mon.

Music Engineer was talking about LTI systems. His statement can be proven objectively with a null render - provided the convolution engine chosen is not applying some modulation to its output.

EQ before or after the reverb? makes absolutely no difference when both are linear and time-invariant systems (which is a reasonable assumption in most cases)

[Guillaume Piolat]

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Is there a 2022 answer to this question?

I need a high quality reverb that sounds realistic and not colour my synth.

There is a design tension in reverbs, with two camps:

A. high diffusion, musical, unreal, pretty on single sources, tail is the same for everything

vs

B. low diffusion, natural, more metallic, tail still correlated with the source, unimpressive

Have you tried Panagement? When we made it, the goal was precisely to not take a lot of headroom in the mix and have low diffusion.

[kobal]

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Is there a 2022 answer to this question?

I need a high quality reverb that sounds realistic and not colour my synth.

maybe try a ir reverb with a real space.

Ir reverb are less hyped since a few years.. but it s common to not be abble to beat them with algos reverbs .. and you can add modulation with a ensemble/ chorus plugin if it s needed.

[greententacle]

i like the ssl and Fabfilter for that.

[Everglide]

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Is there a 2022 answer to this question?

I need a high quality reverb that sounds realistic and not colour my synth.

There is a design tension in reverbs, with two camps:

A. high diffusion, musical, unreal, pretty on single sources, tail is the same for everything

vs

B. low diffusion, natural, more metallic, tail still correlated with the source, unimpressive

Have you tried Panagement? When we made it, the goal was precisely to not take a lot of headroom in the mix and have low diffusion.

I have finally found the reverb I've been looking for all these years! Thank you for posting about Panagement (and therefore your other products). In the sea of mediocracy, I would not have found them otherwise!