Exponential Audio Reverbs unique/good or Valhalla is as good?

[chk071]

I don't think it's subjective or unclear to use Abandonware as a descriptor of Exponential's reverb line:

• the creator sold the rights to Izotope
• izotope confirmed they will no longer update the plugins

the creator is long gone from the project, and the company who is selling them isn't going to update them, ever....in other words, development of these plugins has been abandoned.

If you say that that is the definition of abandonware.

Actually, I wouldn't even know what its definition is. Seems like some random term which describes the feelings of the people using it. Like "crapware". Well, what's crapware? Software that's crap, right?

At some point, software gets discontinued. For the one or the other reason. Maybe there's a successor software. Maybe the software is already long on the market, and the developer doesn't feel like it's worthwhile do develop it further, or develop any successor.

Take a look at how long the EA plugins are on the market, and compare that with other software not labelled "abandonware". And you'll see that it's pretty comparable.

Anyway, abandonware doesn't say anything. Apart from expressing the feeling of the person using the term, that he or she feels like the software is "abandoned". Could also say discontinued, but, that wouldn't really incorporate the feeling of being left alone, and... abandoned.

[jamcat]

Once again pays out to be on an OS where stuff doesn't just stop working at some point.

This is a dumb argument. Computers are technology. And technology is all about progress.

Software technology is also about compatibility. If you don't have that, well... you're f***ed, in many regards.

And, no, CPU architectures don't get obsolete just because a single manufacturers chooses mobile CPU's for its machines.

Old Macs with old versions of Mac OS are still compatible with old software, just like Windows. Windows computers just wont give you as many real-time tracks, as low latency, or silence. You know, the stuff we value most as music creators.

And as the thread topic indicates, there are always alternatives when developers tap out.

[aMUSEd]

• izotope confirmed they will no longer update the plugins

Where did they say that?

[mholloway]

I don't think it's subjective or unclear to use Abandonware as a descriptor of Exponential's reverb line:

• the creator sold the rights to Izotope
• izotope confirmed they will no longer update the plugins

the creator is long gone from the project, and the company who is selling them isn't going to update them, ever....in other words, development of these plugins has been abandoned.

Anyway, abandonware doesn't say anything. Apart from expressing the feeling of the person using the term, that he or she feels like the software is "abandoned". Could also say discontinued, but, that wouldn't really incorporate the feeling of being left alone, and... abandoned.

Huh? What does "creator is long gone from the project" and "izotope has confirmed they will no longer update" have to do with "the feeling of the person using the term" ???

I laid out my usage in literal terms that anybody can understand. Development of the plugins has been abandoned. Stopped. Ceased. Nobody but you finds a need to continue rolling through the weeds here, pretending this is about Individual Feelings.

[chk071]

• izotope confirmed they will no longer update the plugins

Where did they say that?

He probably means that list which doesn't include the EA plugins as candidates for future M1 native versions.

Which doesn't amount to "no more updates". But, hey.

[jamcat]

• izotope confirmed they will no longer update the plugins

Where did they say that?

https://support.izotope.com/hc/en-us/ar ... le-silicon

They changed the page somewhat. It used to indicated when plugins will become M1 native (Q1 2022, etc.). The Exponential Audio plugins were listed as "not planned" or something along those lines.

[vurt]

oh my.

[ghettosynth]

I don't think it's subjective or unclear to use Abandonware as a descriptor of Exponential's reverb line:

• the creator sold the rights to Izotope
• izotope confirmed they will no longer update the plugins

the creator is long gone from the project, and the company who is selling them isn't going to update them, ever....in other words, development of these plugins has been abandoned.

But this is somehow subjective or hard to understand...?

For some reason I was under the impression that the merger meant that the dev was working at iZotope. This is just an assumption on my part, I thought that there was some press picture of him with iZotope celebrating the outcome. I could be manufacturing that memory though.

[ghettosynth]

Ok, Michael Carne's website confirms both what I thought happened and the state today.

"Exponential Audio was acquired by iZotope in late 2018. I stayed on for a couple of years while iZotope took the reins of my technology. This allowed me to retire and get back to making music."

https://www.michaelcarnes.net/about

Good for him.

[jamcat]

Right. They wanted Michael's algorithms so they bought Exponential Audio then killed his products. They won't be maintaining his code. They just wanted to plunder his IP.

[chk071]

They just wanted to plunder his IP.

Bastards.

They built in some of his algorithms in other products though. And Michael is now happily retired, after turning his plugins into abandonware.

Bastards.

[jamcat]

They just wanted to plunder his IP.

Bastards.

They built in some of his algorithms in other products though.

That's exactly what I was talking about when I said they just wanted to plunder his IP.

[chk071]

Well, it's not the worst IP to "plunder".

[jamcat]

• izotope confirmed they will no longer update the plugins

Where did they say that?

https://support.izotope.com/hc/en-us/ar ... le-silicon

They changed the page somewhat. It used to indicated when plugins will become M1 native (Q1 2022, etc.). The Exponential Audio plugins were listed as "not planned" or something along those lines.

Here it is, compliments of the Way Back Machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20211216114 ... le-silicon

[chk071]

As I remembered. It says that a M1 native version is not planned. Not that no more updates are planned.

Although I'm pretty sure we won't see many, if any more updates either. I'm pretty positive that the plugins are discontinued.

Not "abandoned".

We're all being abandoned though. We poor things.