One Synth Challenge #158: Surrealistic MG-1 Plus by Cherry Audio (MilksterX Wins!)

[hope4ever]

Not interested in making money from my OSSC tracks! But then, what fool would pay me money for them anyway??

But, good questions for those who might wish for their OSC tracks to raise a few pennies.

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Its not just about making money, say you want your track released on a record label, even if you take no pay or little pay for whatever reason you do that. I can think main ones would be to get recognised or like a foot in the door, or just the need for the world (a greater audience) to hear your song or to set your song in stone by recording and thus archiving it to more permanent means that a record label can do. Thus creating a legacy that may outlive you.

I have a valid reason why I cannot make money from Music however I as with the above reasons I would love to have a track of mine released with a record label. In that case I would choose not to take pay.

I doubt a record label would release your track if its already released under CC? Could the record label even legally sell the song to customers? I can't see them signing you if they get nothing out of it.

Maybe the goal is to get signed rather than you making money.

Potentially a musician could make their best song yet for this competition and be unable to do anything with it. That would seem like a waste to me.

I do not know enough about Music Jams/Competitions but a couple others I looked into previously (that were more game music related) allowed you to release the music under any license you choose to and you would retain full rights. It is the same in all of the computer game jams I have seen on my travels where you create a computer game from scratch in a set period of time, you always retain the full rights to your game (I have never entered one yet)...

Example this is a well known game jam site..
https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/rules
Scroll down to read under ownership.

[FrogsInPants]

I doubt a record label would release your track if its already released under CC? Could the record label even legally sell the song to customers? I can't see them signing you if they get nothing out of it.

They can't do so under CC NC, but you still own the copyright of the work, and can grant license to different entities under different terms, such as allowing a record label to sell copies of the song.

[hope4ever]

I doubt a record label would release your track if its already released under CC? Could the record label even legally sell the song to customers? I can't see them signing you if they get nothing out of it.

They can't do so under CC NC, but you still own the copyright of the work, and can grant license to different entities under different terms, such as allowing a record label to sell copies of the song.

Ok now I realize a record label cannot release under a CC NC (Non Commercial), but are they even allowed to release under a new different license where prior the song was released under CC NC?

I have no idea how the legal side works but perhaps by releasing under CC you are permanently giving away some of your rights you have under your copyright ownership.

I was always lead to believe and i may be wrong that releasing under a license that gives you less rights superceeds the previous license and permanently. It is akin to creating a game under a certain license where you can sell it to people and then later changing the license by releasing the game into the public domain, which is permanent and cannot be reversed.

Thanks for your reply

[hope4ever]

I don't know really and I tried to research the copyright and licensing issue to no avail.

I did think of this though, If a copyright holder can assign any licenses they wish whenever they wish as many times as they wish...
if a CC NC license basically gives all the people of the world that license how can you then give the people of the world a totally different license thereafter and so on and so on, which license would they then have to legally abide by, they cannot abide by them all as they conflict?

If there is no time limit written into a license, it will last almost forever or at least until the copyright holder legally loses the copyright.. at around 50-70 years after the creator of the copyrighted work's death.

[hope4ever]

Thinking some more (I have no idea if i am correct)..
So you release with a no time limit CC NC etc license basically to everyone, which stops you from making money off the song.

'Maybe' later you can release the song under a different commercial license and license a record label with this so they can sell your song.

The public will not buy that song from the record label when they find out they can hop online and download the song for free.

The record label will not put themselves in that position, they simply will not sign you in the first place.

[YouSampleMe]

Here is my entry [reuploaded, commercial effects replaced with free ones].

https://soundcloud.com/sampleme/yousamp ... al_sharing

I used FL Studio 20 and 10 instances of Surrealistic MG-1 Plus.

Stock Plugins:
Reeverb 2
Parametric EQ 2
Limiter
Delay 3
Stereo Shaper
Transient Processor
WaveShaper
Transient
Hard Noise Gate
Maximus

External plugins:
MCompressor
MSaturator

Thank you for listening.

Sample Me

[FrogsInPants]

I was always lead to believe and i may be wrong that releasing under a license that gives you less rights superceeds the previous license and permanently. It is akin to creating a game under a certain license where you can sell it to people and then later changing the license by releasing the game into the public domain, which is permanent and cannot be reversed.

Releasing something into the public domain means you are giving up your copyright in the work completely - you are giving up ownership and any control you could have had under copyright law. Licensing under a permissive license does not give up your ownership in the same way, and whether it is revocable or not depends on the license terms. CC licenses are irrevocable, because the license itself explicitly states so. But you still have ownership and can provide a license with other terms to someone else. For instance, if you license it as CC BY-NC-ND, anybody can use it non-commercially (NC), as long as they do so with attribution (BY), and without making changes (ND). But you could allow Bob's Records to sell copies commercially, or allow DJ FrogNozzle to make remixed derivative works, without giving up those rights to anyone else. Or you could make a derivative work yourself, and not release it under a CC license at all, so that the new version cannot be freely used for noncommercial purposes.

If you're concerned about the terms of CC licenses, by all means read the details and their notes for licensors and licensees.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by ... /legalcode

[L-EctroBit]

Here is my entry.

I used FL Studio 20 and 10 instances of Surrealistic MG-1 Plus.

External plugins:
SPL Iron
Black Box Analog Design HG2-MS
TDR Limiter 6 GE

I'm sorry to say that you have used FX plugins that are prohibited by the rules. But you still have time to replace them with free ones.

OSC Rules

Effects - what is allowed:

- Most Native DAW effects may be used (see below for what NOT to use)

- Most 3rd party plugin effects are allowed (Again, see below for what NOT to use):
3rd party effects must be easily available freeware: this does not include plug-in betas, demos, magware or freeware that has expired, unless a special exception is made that month.

https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/rules

[The Sound Of Merlin]

Dear friends, Here's the final version of my entry. Lots of succes to you all during these last days of April! There have been some amazing tracks uploaded so far. I am looking forward to the voting session. Have fun!

https://soundcloud.com/thesoundofmerlin ... er-osc-158

[zarf]

Thinking some more (I have no idea if i am correct)..
So you release with a no time limit CC NC etc license basically to everyone, which stops you from making money off the song.

'Maybe' later you can release the song under a different commercial license and license a record label with this so they can sell your song.

The public will not buy that song from the record label when they find out they can hop online and download the song for free.

The record label will not put themselves in that position, they simply will not sign you in the first place.

A short term solution with your current track might be to make another version that you wish to promote with a label. Remix your own work, if you like. Could be stuff like: risers, hooks, vocals, alternative sections, different arrangement, sampled hats, atmospheric fx, samples of any kind, other synths of any kind, or some more mastering stuff to make it punchy and loud, perhaps using fx that are not allowed in OSC. I can imagine many fun ways you might enhance your track further that would then make it more interesting to a label and solve the problem of the current version being available for free in a relatively obscure corner of the internet.
Just a thought, a possiblitity in case you've not thought of it this way. Not trying to tell you what to do! Good luck

[zarf]

DJ FrogNozzle

lmao

[YouSampleMe]

I'm sorry to say that you have used FX plugins that are prohibited by the rules. But you still have time to replace them with free ones.

I have reuploaded the track. Commercial effects replaced with free ones.
Thank you!

[FrogsInPants]

The public will not buy that song from the record label when they find out they can hop online and download the song for free.

The record label will not put themselves in that position, they simply will not sign you in the first place.

To what zarf said, I would add that if you think this is a real, practical concern, by all means think twice before agreeing to the CC license. But surely you would have to have other pieces in your body of work to achieve commercial success, and a few free samples won't hurt your brand.

[FrogsInPants]

DJ FrogNozzle

lmao

DJ FrogNozzle can spin more frogs per second than anyone I know.

[JayC3115]

Here is my submission for the challenge. This is my first challenge and post on the KVR site. Thank you for having these contests, I really enjoyed it.


https://soundcloud.com/user-574140123-6 ... al_sharing

DAW: Reaper 6.54

Surrealistic MG-1 Plus, 11 instances ( Could have used less, but could not get the Program Change CC to work)

Plugins used:
ReaEQ (stock plugin)
Compressor JS1175(stock plugin)
ReaVerberate (Stock-plugin)
Dead Duck AutoPan
Thank you