Studio One and Reason Should Partner

[MTorn]

I know. But it would be cool if they did it right.

I, for one, agree with you.
I’m primarily a Reason user, and most of us believe that the DAW needs major work to become more professional and competitive. Reason Studios have made very few efforts to move things along, and are primarily focusing on promoting the Reason Rack Plugin to be used in other DAWs.

Studio One is on the other hand a bit, ahem, boring, and would do well to integrate some of the fun, creative, and often useful aspects of Reason. Not just the instruments, but the effects and players (midi processors, essentially) as well. Many of the newer Reason devices are truly excellent (and many older ones, while in need of some updating, are great usable classics), but they tend to get overlooked by people who aren’t interested in the quirky, somewhat arcane Reason working environment.

Personally I feel like Studio One suffers from lacking a native audio pitch and articulation editor (using Melodyne with ARA is pretty awkward, imo), while Reason has an excellent one built into the DAW. If the two merged, Studio One could adopt the Reason one.

Realistically I don’t see it happening, but I would personally like it if it did.

[xbitz]

^^^ "Studio One is on the other hand a bit, ahem" don't want to start the same topic just with Reaper but +1 to R too, just in Reaper any number of items can be dropped into a track(even mixed MIDI/samples) and even MIDI ones can have own fx chains (this is where Reason goes into the picture) just in R the event fxs are also automatable ones not just static ones as is in S1

so bit funnier than S1 pretty sick what can be done with it inside one track (btw. Geist has the same workflow as Impact has in S1, drum maps are auto-created or from 6.0 "VST3 Changes
REAPER now supports VST3 plugins that export MIDI note names" )

[jamcat]

Personally I feel like Studio One suffers from lacking a native audio pitch and articulation editor (using Melodyne with ARA is pretty awkward, imo), while Reason has an excellent one built into the DAW. If the two merged, Studio One could adopt the Reason one.

LOL @ PreSonus ditching the industry-leading Melodyne and ARA (which they heavily invested in developing with Celemony for the purpose of integrating it seamlessly into Studio One) in favour of integrating Reason for its vastly inferior pitch editing.

BTW, Reason and Studio One both already support ReWire (which also is vastly inferior to ARA2.)

[jens]

I’ve never heard your music will never hear your music,

it's okay - I know people who like this kind of music and it is all a matter of taste anyway...


but then again - frankly put - it's nothing that would require an oustanding set of skills or much musical talent as it is really extremely simple - highly mechanic, primitive and banal one might even go as far as to say.
I give him the benefit of the doubt and say that's by design and his dear artistic vision, which is certainly more than fair enough. But it kind of automatically excludes him from much competence regarding most of what most of us folks round these parts tend to discuss.

It's all fine if you like driving around in your Trabant for a couple of decades because your heart is filled with love for that car - but then chances are you're not the most competent dude to have an expert discussion with racing drivers.

[spliffy_mcweed]

Remember the time users demanded VST support in Reason? How did that work out?

This thread is everything that's wrong with the audio software industry. Using the wrong tool for the kind of music you want to make? Don't sell it at a loss and buy a better tool, demand that the tool you already have bolts on the features of the tool you should be using! Demand to be heard, amplify your voice on social media! Never settle for less than your ideal Frankenstein monster of a DAW!

[Downangle]

A couple of things... first, Rewire isn't a thing anymore. You can't Rewire Reason 12 to Studio One.

Secondly, this thread isn't demanding anything. I wasn't advocating changing either Studio One or Reason as a DAW. I was saying that Studio One should include Reason devices as a partnership. I don't consider including devices and FX as "Frankensteining" a DAW. I think people who don't read the OP and then rant about the wrong things are what's wrong with this thread.

[MTorn]

LOL @ PreSonus ditching the industry-leading Melodyne and ARA (which they heavily invested in developing with Celemony for the purpose of integrating it seamlessly into Studio One) in favour of integrating Reason for its vastly inferior pitch editing.

It certainly wouldn’t call the awkward setup between Studio One and Melodyne “seamlessly integrated “. Having to switch to very different UI for your pitch editing (but using native S1 UI for editing the timing) is pretty clumsy. And the basic Melodyne included in S1 is pretty dumbed down.
Personally I much prefer the implementations used in Logic Pro and Reason.

Sure, the full version of Melodyne is quite powerful, but sonically they are all pretty good.

[jamcat]

I have no idea what you're talking about, and neither do you. Melodyne opens in Studio One's edit window when you set a track to edit with Melodyne. Melodyne edits pitch and time.

[MTorn]

That screenshot nicely illustrates what I don’t like about it. It looks and feels like running a totally different piece of software inside a Studio One window.
Sure, ARA keeps files and tempo in sync, but it’s still an alien environment.

Of course Melodyne will edit both pitch and timing, but for other timing-related editing (quantizing live drums, for example), you generally use the Studio One built-in system.

Melodyne is very popular, but I’m guessing that it’s primarily used in DAWs that don’t have a native equivalent.
I think Logic Pro can run Melodyne under ARA. I’d be curious to know how many Logic Pro users use it, vs the standard built-in option.

What would you say is superior about Melodyne (the basic included version) compared to the Reason one? Audio quality?

[jamcat]

I’m not familiar with Reason’s pitch editing so I can’t really comment there. I assume everyone can do monophonic pitch manipulation adequately by now. I know Melodyne is pretty flawless and artifact-free, so I can’t imagine anyone doing it better, but also not substantially worse.

Where Melodyne really begins to separate from the pack is polyphonic pitch manipulation in Melodyne Editor and above. That is what I use in Studio One and there’s no way in hell I would trade it for any Reason.

[EvilDragon]

What would you say is superior about Melodyne (the basic included version) compared to the Reason one? Audio quality?

Yes. Both audio quality, and the fact that Melodyne has polyphonic pitch detection and Reason doesn't.

[MTorn]

For audio quality, it stands to reason that Melodyne should do well, since this is all that Celemony does, and it gets updated and improved at a regular clip.
The Reason and Logic Pro ones still sound quite good when used for what I expect they are used most for - cleaning up shaky solo vocals.

In terms of polyphony, that's why I made sure to specifically mention to Melodyne Essential, the one included in Studio One. That one is monophonic and quite limited, more so (I think, not sure) than the Reason or Logic Pro ones.
For polyphony I think you need Melodyne Editor, which costs $499. So that's like comparing an orange with a whole sack of apples.

After using Reason (for a very long time) and Logic Pro (for a shorter time), I've come to think that a pitch editor should be part of core DAW functionality (Ableton and Reaper might disagree). As much as some people might love Melodyne, I feel that Studio One kind of phoned it in when they skipped on implementing it, and just sent along a code for the cheapest 3rd party option instead.
I'm hoping that Studio One 6 will have implemented a workman pitch editor. And for the fancy folk who don't mind the GUI jolt, there's always still ARA2 and $499 Melodyne.

[apoclypse]

For audio quality, it stands to reason that Melodyne should do well, since this is all that Celemony does, and it gets updated and improved at a regular clip.
The Reason and Logic Pro ones still sound quite good when used for what I expect they are used most for - cleaning up shaky solo vocals.

In terms of polyphony, that's why I made sure to specifically mention to Melodyne Essential, the one included in Studio One. That one is monophonic and quite limited, more so (I think, not sure) than the Reason or Logic Pro ones.
For polyphony I think you need Melodyne Editor, which costs $499. So that's like comparing an orange with a whole sack of apples.

After using Reason (for a very long time) and Logic Pro (for a shorter time), I've come to think that a pitch editor should be part of core DAW functionality (Ableton and Reaper might disagree). As much as some people might love Melodyne, I feel that Studio One kind of phoned it in when they skipped on implementing it, and just sent along a code for the cheapest 3rd party option instead.
I'm hoping that Studio One 6 will have implemented a workman pitch editor. And for the fancy folk who don't mind the GUI jolt, there's always still ARA2 and $499 Melodyne.

Celemony has deals all the time for Melodyne, especially if you have essential. I got Melodyne Editor for $129 or something like that whenever there was a deal for it. Sure you have to pay extra for it versus built in but its not that bad.

That being said I use Melodyne only on S1, if I'm in Logic or Reason I stick to whatever they've built in mostly because I think the workflow is a bit nicer (especially in Logic). Too much tool switching in Melodyne while Logic uses hot zones to switch what the tool does.

[MTorn]

Celemony has deals all the time for Melodyne, especially if you have essential. I got Melodyne Editor for $129 or something like that whenever there was a deal for it. Sure you have to pay extra for it versus built in but its not that bad.

Good to know!
As much as I complain, Studio One is currently my strongest candidate for my go-to DAW. If it continues that way, I now know to be on the lookout for a good Melodyne sale.

[Crossinger]

Good to know!
As much as I complain, Studio One is currently my strongest candidate for my go-to DAW. If it continues that way, I now know to be on the lookout for a good Melodyne sale.

For the record: While it’s true that Melodyne Essential (shipped with S1) cannot manipulate chords, it can in fact detect and show them. This is useful as „alternative“ chord detection for audio2midi which sometimes might work better than the builtin feature.