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burn4ever · Post by **burn4ever** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:00 am

Hey guys,
how can I declare a AutoAlign instance as the main track that all the other instances in the same group are align to this track?
Example:
I have a Snare track and will align the overheads to this track.
There is a "main track" button but althought activated on the snare track the snare will be shift after analyse.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:31 am

burn4ever wrote:Hey guys,
how can I declare a AutoAlign instance as the main track that all the other instances in the same group are align to this track?
Example:
I have a Snare track and will align the overheads to this track.
There is a "main track" button but althought activated on the snare track the snare will be shift after analyse.

Well being the master track doesn't prevent the snare from being shifted a few samples, if the snare signal occurs earlier than the signals on the overheads, it will be shifted so that it aligns with the overhead signals phase-wise.

burn4ever · Post by **burn4ever** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:55 am

Okay,
but anyway, is there a way to set one track to master an align all the other to them?

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:03 am

burn4ever wrote:Okay,
but anyway, is there a way to set one track to master an align all the other to them?

That's already happening, so I don't understand your question.

burn4ever · Post by **burn4ever** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:39 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
burn4ever wrote:Okay,
but anyway, is there a way to set one track to master an align all the other to them?
That's already happening, so I don't understand your question.

It will be nice to have a master track (e.g. Snare) that kept untouched, to align all the other track around them.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:47 am

burn4ever wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
burn4ever wrote:Okay,
but anyway, is there a way to set one track to master an align all the other to them?
That's already happening, so I don't understand your question.
It will be nice to have a master track (e.g. Snare) that kept untouched, to align all the other track around them.

You have not yet understood what phase-alignment is all about.

burn4ever · Post by **burn4ever** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:20 am

Well,
normally I don´t compare any plugins but here is what I´m talking about:

I have the option to declare a channel as a "send" and all the other as "receiver". So I can decide what track keeps untouched.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:21 pm

You don't need any of these sends or anything. It MAutoAlign will just align everything correctly. What you seem not to understand is that there is only one "best" solution and if it means that your track will be delayed, then you cannot do anything about it. You cannot defy laws of physics.

HOWEVER you probably want your track not to be delayed at all, right? Then you simply analyze the whole thing until you like the sound and then set the Latency parameter to the same value as the delay of that track. The Latency is shared between all instances, so the plugin effectively lets you actually defy the laws of physics by shifting all tracks forth or back in time by hacking the latency compensation

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Cae sharp · Post by **Cae sharp** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:53 am

Yes, you do need that function. Let's say the kit is aligned, exept for the snare top and bottom: The bottom is out of phase with everything else. So you put autoalign on, and it moves the snare top to the snare bottom, making both in phase with each other, but out of phase with the rest of the mics. And here you're telling us that we can correct for it manually, and we're back to where we started, exept we have to do the adjustment by ear with no visual waves to help us out.

steve2KVR · Post by **steve2KVR** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:04 pm

It's a matter of context and focus, within the focus group there is the "one best solution." However, that solution must fit in the context of the whole composition.
As an example from my own work: I have a group of doubled/complementary acoustic guitars that sound more cohesive with MAA active, but then I need that group to fit with the vocal/s. Adesignated "master" acoustic guitar track would simplify the work flow...hth

.../s~

mibby · Post by **mibby** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:30 pm

I had thought the calculations in MAutoAlign were done based on which instance you click to start the analyze, but have noticed that's not the case.

I agree with the OP, it would make things more clear if were could know which instance was the basis of the analysis. Here's an example of a straightforward UI that does this.

nugen-aligner.png

A use case for me is that after I have aligned to drums to my liking, I would like to use the Kick drum as the source when I check alignment with the bass.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Wed May 04, 2022 9:28 am

I have to reiterate again (after so many times) - the "main track" which was there was NOT the track that doesn't get delayed. It was simply the track the rest of them were compared against. Now, the engine compares all tracks to all tracks finding the best possible solution.

mibby · Post by **mibby** » Fri May 06, 2022 12:59 am

Here is my issue. I align the drums as you have said at the bottom of page 1 of this thread and I believe have reiterated in this one.

viewtopic.php?f=138&t=486476

So now my drums are in the best alignment.

Now, I want to align my Kick and Bass. So I put an instance of MAA on each track or buss or whatever. Since I can't dictate that the Kick should be the "master", the analysis might come back altering the settings on the Kick and leave the Bass untouched, right?

If I like that Kick/Bass alignment and the Kick has been adjusted, isn't that messing with the alignment that was already done on the drums?

For the record, I use the Nugen Aligner in this case because I can set the Kick to be the Master and know that I won't be altering its alignment with the rest of the drums while it tries to find the best solution.

How would you suggest using MAA to do this secondary analysis?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:18 am

NO! First of all, bass & kick are NOT the same instrument. And second, it chooses the best option, whatever that is. You cannot dictate which is not delayed in any case. But if you want, you can! Just choose the instance relevbant for you and set the Latency parameter to the same value as the delay of that instance. DAW will then do the compensation.

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How to declare a master track in AutoAlign