Arturia V Collection 9 - Official Thread

[Arashi]

Collaboration, as I stated a couple of pages back. At least if other blurbs mentioned on the interwebs are accurate.

Looks like you're right. Found this on the official product page:

We partnered with KORG to re-engineer the most faithful emulation of this iconic instrument yet.

[mixtur.se]

I think for an instrument like the CS-80, much of the performance character comes from the tactile experience of playing the polyphonic aftertouch and the ribbon controller. A VST may be able to nail the sound (and I have no doubt V4 does), but you need a CS-80 to get a CS-80 performance. Just as much of the experience of playing a piano comes from the weighted keys, double escapement mechanism, pedal action, and the hammers physically striking the strings.

I entirely agree. So it looks like I'm going to have to buy a Hydrasynth.

Seriously. Why can't someone make an awesome polyphonic aftertouch keyboard with a ribbon? The only way to get one is to buy a synth.

My Native instruments komplete komtrol S61 has both, although the ribbon is relatively small.

*edit* It’s apparently not polyphonic aftertouch after all.

[Tj Shredder]

Which MPE controller do you guys recommend for CS80 v4?

LinnStrument. And if you insist on classical keys: Osmose…

[noiseboyuk]

It's not bad. Better than the old Korg one. Still doesn't have quite the punch though, but that's an issue with Arturia synths in general. Good for slower attack sounds, but misses the in your face sound of analog I think. I don't know if it's missing some high frequencies or if it's an issue with their envelopes or what, but other analog emulations don't seem to have this issue. I don't know how others don't hear it.

"if you can't hear the unquantifiable thing, the problem is you".

[aMUSEd]

so now in Analog Lab, I can't open the older CS-80 that I do already own. neat.
(I don't care enough to report it)

It does still load the old one if on your system, I tried it with some of the Synthopoedia patches for the old version

[Dark Fiber]

Anyone else getting crashes on Windows 10 with the synths in stand alone mode? I didn't have the time to test inside the daw.

Have you recently updated win10? I've read that a recent windows update messes up the DirectX9 performance of some applications in combination with some GPU's in win10 and win11.

[noiseboyuk]

so now in Analog Lab, I can't open the older CS-80 that I do already own. neat.
(I don't care enough to report it)

It does still load the old one if on your system, I tried it with some of the Synthopoedia patches for the old version

Yes, same here - wwjd just make sure "Include Legacy Sounds" is checked in the top left hand corner menu of Analog Lab.

[jamcat]

As long as the internal plugin ID didn't change, the plugin's name or filename shouldn't matter.

That’s only true for VST3 plugins. VST2 plugins are not nearly as robust. They get their display name from their filename, and changing it will cause the plugin to not be found in existing projects. But some people insist VST2 plugins are better for reasons.

[Trensharo]

God help us if Komplete is the model (unavoidable pun) for Arturia’s V Collection going forward. I own the latest and greatest version of Komplete Ultimate 13 and it is a bloated, sub-standard piece of crap for the most part. NI can’t even be arsed to create new synth plugins anymore with the exception of Massive X and Super 8 (which started life as a Reaktor ensemble). Half of NI’s synths are these half-baked, phoned in Kontakt instruments and the other half are annoyingly digital sounding Reaktor ensembles (with the exception of Monark and Super 8 which is nicely done for what it is).

Reaktor Blocks is not taking the world by storm and thus Reaktor has lost any relevance that it once had. The user generated library of ensembles in particular is uniformly awful.

And then there is the fact that almost all of NI’s plugins are still incompatible with Apple M1 processors, are VST2 only and have GUIs that can’t be resized.

Kontakt (with its wide support for third party libraries) is about the only thing keeping Komplete afloat. And even Kontakt needs a total redesign to make it easier to use and to remain competitive with UVI’s Falcon.

Arturia would do well to stay in their lane and focus on what they are good at (or rather what they are getting better at).

NI have a lot of specific issues and some of their product development is perplexing to say the least. All I was saying is that just because a big bundle a la Komplete contains some products you may not use, it’s not a disaster. (And even though there’s some duds in Komplete, their sample libraries are generally very high quality and well developed).

There’s a few in V Collection already I don’t touch - the Piano and the B-3 to name two, both of which aren’t synths. At least the Augmented series are - variants of Pigments in Advanced mode. TBH at this point Pigments is the anomaly by not being included, even though its patches exist in Analog Lab.

People are ignorant.

They also don't realize that the bundle is called Komplete for a reason.

The idea is never for everything to appeal to you. It's to be a Complete bundle that has a fair bit for anyone.

The stuff you don't want, don't install. It's really that simple.

Nothing wrong with Komplete.

It's like people grasp at any reason to complain about NI, iZotope, et al. Even nonsensical reasons...

[Biome_Digital]

Hey guys, loads of my new presets are included with V9. Aug strings and voices, ms20, prophet 5. Search New Loops in the browsers. Hope you like!

[LoveEnigma18]

Hey guys, loads of my new presets are included with V9. Aug strings and voices, ms20, prophet 5. Search New Loops in the browsers. Hope you like!

Already liking them with the taster that's available in Analog Lab V. Excellent job and thank you!

[AdvancedFollower]

It's not bad. Better than the old Korg one. Still doesn't have quite the punch though, but that's an issue with Arturia synths in general. Good for slower attack sounds, but misses the in your face sound of analog I think. I don't know if it's missing some high frequencies or if it's an issue with their envelopes or what, but other analog emulations don't seem to have this issue. I don't know how others don't hear it.

"if you can't hear the unquantifiable thing, the problem is you".

Actually things like those are quantifiable. You can easily analyze the spectral content, harmonics, amplitude over time etc. of any sound and compare it to a recording of the real MS20 or another plugin. A lack of high frequency content or a slow attack of the amplitude envelope would be easy to detect. But nobody ever does that because it's more fun to throw around subjective terms like "fat", "thin" or my favorite, "two-dimensional".

[noiseboyuk]

nobody ever does that because it's more fun to throw around subjective terms like "fat", "thin" or my favorite, "two-dimensional".

Ha! My favouite is "glue".

[LoveEnigma18]

I didn't buy the old version two weeks ago, I bought the brand new version while there was no sight of V9 on the horizon. If so, I would have waited with my purchase ofc.
So selling something as "the latest and greatest" and then coming from behind the corner two weeks later with "haha... look at this", that's not very cool. It's called tricking customers.

Would that have happened two months ago, or half a year, ofc... that's bad luck. But this is cheating if the company then doesn't offer any grace period at all, not even their usual discounted upgrade price.

You get the upgrade price at $199 instead of $499, right?
How much did you pay for it 2 weeks ago? Less than $300?

Definitely not less, but that doesn't matter in this case. It was under the impression of buying the latest version, when in fact V9 was already in their storage. And we all know regular plugin prices are just inflated make up stories for the shareholders anyways.

So all in all, initiated through this first sale, Arturia got 1000€ from me in the last two weeks. Which is some substantial amount of money. To not offer anything here really, that is what's bothering.

It does matter, though.
If you paid $300€ for it, then $300€ + $199€ is $499€, which is what Arturia values V9 at currently.
If you paid more, then you have something to complain about, and should contact them to see what they can do for you.

And just to add to this, I think the 50% sale they do on previous V Collection before releasing the new version actually helps save more. Not talking about the NKS special NI sale but only Arturia website sale.

For example, if you have Pigments and recently grabbed the special offer to crossgrade to V Collection 8 for $149, you can upgrade to V Collection 9 for further $199 now, which means you only spent $348 instead of current $499 intro price or $399 crossgrade price. Not bad at all.

[dermage]

The name change is unfortunate though. What happens when you try to open a project that was using "OB-Xa V"? Probably "plugin not found", in which case you can replace it with the new version, hope you can remember what patch was loaded (probably not), and if you tweaked it in any way (definitely not).

As long as the internal plugin ID didn't change, the plugin's name or filename shouldn't matter.

And it looks like jamcat confirmed it's using the same plugin ID; presets remembered and everything.

I'm not sure if that's how it works in all DAWs. I remember Arturia changed the name of their PRE-amps once and Ableton Live didn't find the old one used in an old project of mine.
Had to search for my VST backup and put the old .dll in there to load it again. I'm not sure if they changed Ids back then, but I believe not. Names of VSTs shouldn't be changed, and if, leave a legacy .dll for old projects.