I can't stand click delay, there's no reason for this!

[Architeuthis]

Why must there be a delay between clicking and putting a note in the piano roll? I want to click and hear it right away. I want to drag vertically as I place the note to find the right note.

I want to switch over from FL to MuTools, but there are some glaring issues that are also "glaringly" easy to fix.

Add a user preference please.

Also the demo limitations are absolutely crushing! If you want people to consider your daw, let them live in it, allow playing around for some hours, allow saving the project. Then they will be like "dang i want to finish this, better purchase mulab, and then I can bring in my favorite VSTs as well."

Yes, after 30 minutes, fine, force user to restart... but let them save the project so they can continue where they left off. Then DON'T allow audio export! Then being able to save the project makes sense. Then if you want to export, buy MuLab.

[MuTools]

Why must there be a delay between clicking and putting a note in the piano roll?

Which delay do you mean?
If you select the pencil to draw notes, clicking immediately draws new notes, no delay.

I want to click and hear it right away. I want to drag vertically as I place the note to find the right note. Add a user preference please.

It's on the (long) wishlist.

Also the demo limitations are absolutely crushing! Yes, after 30 minutes, fine, force user to restart... but let them save the project so they can continue where they left off. Then DON'T allow audio export! Then being able to save the project makes sense. Then if you want to export, buy MuLab.

One could use a virtual audio output to export the audio anyway. So that would mean almost no demo limitation at all.

That said, i do understand your criticism on the save disable and step by step i'm thining about an alternative way of implementing such demo limit, eg. switch it from save-disable to save-enable but open-disable. Won't be for short term though as properly implementing demo limits is a complex aspect because it must be as crackproof as possible.

[Architeuthis]

If you solve this one problem then I will consider buying MuLab

If you click in the piano roll, yes you get a note. But you don't get to hear it unless you hold click for a moment. I need that to be instant. You click, you hear the note, and the note is placed.

Fine, no vertical drag. I can live without it.

[whyterabbyt]

If you solve this one problem then I will consider buying MuLab

I'd rather effort was put into FR's from folk who actually have it, or definitely will buy it.

[Architeuthis]

but... it's such a stupid feature.

I'm on the fence here.

I don't understand what the big deal is. Just disable the delay. Like...really, this will take time out of your precious FRs?

[Architeuthis]

Ok fine. I promise to buy it if my request is taken care of.
It's $70 ok more like $90, I can afford to lose if I don't like the DAW in the end actually that's getting into the "not impulse buy" price. But I think I will like it over FL.

1. composition paradigm makes more sense, loop things rather than pool things
2. you get full view of automation envelopes
- con: the way to get an automation envelope seems very slow and tedious, there apparently is a "get last knob" for automation, but I couldn't find that feature in the MULAB demo.
3. you can HUMANIZE MIDI? LIKE... WTF? Such a simple feature that FL is so stupid to leave out. Incredibly frustrated with FL for that one.

Holy crap DAWs are getting expensive. I thought FL was expensive. $400 for bitwig, $400 for abletone live, MuLab looks like the last viable DAW under $150.

[Architeuthis]

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Isn't that up to the plugin standard? Maybe this means the built-in synths have access to audio rate modulation.

[Architeuthis]

One could use a virtual audio output to export the audio anyway. So that would mean almost no demo limitation at all.

Trust me, it's annoying to have to re-record something over and over to bypass the intermittent noise. Why? Because... oops I want to tweak this one thing. Oops, that's too much let me re-render. Dang the noise got in the way, re-render. I find myself re-rendering projects 10 times consecutively to get things dialed in right without having intermittent noise to deal with! The intermittent noise is going to be enough.

[Architeuthis]

Hmm... it has come to my attention that no one knows how to use MuLab, because if they did, they would have given me several workarounds for the delay issue.

Well, I figured it out. I'll see about getting MuLab for my next musical piece.

For those who look at this thread in the future:

1. Click the pencil icon on the lower left of the piano roll.
2. Click and drag and you get instant note and you hear it as well.
3. OR Hold Ctrl + Click and you bypass the delay

Bonus tip: You can quickly drag in a note then without letting your mouse button go, you can drag the note back to 0 length. If you do this rapidly you can audition notes vertically pretty efficiently. I might even prefer this behavior over the slippery "note dragged vertically" behavior.

Bonus tip, even better: Click and drag the note BACKWARDS without having dragged forward and you get to preview the note without committing to placing it.

[Architeuthis]

Ok I now own a copy of MuLab.

[Architeuthis]

Wow the reverb is nice. Built-in synths are actually usable. The filter on the Basic Synth is very clean and doesn't saturate, yet has stable resonance, interesting.