Couple of Miniatures

[ChameleonMusic]

nice
like to hear it with a vastly better codec than SC's

Agreed!

All streaming audio codecs have certain strengths and weaknesses. SC's have improved in the last few years after an abysmal choose a while ago, but they could still be better...particularly in the way they handle the highest frequencies.

The problem is that most listeners use totally shit equipment - phones / tinny Bluetooth speakers / chap- buds etc so the host companies pay less attention to those few of us who want better quality sound.

[vurt]

seriously good shit man!!!
i wish i knew anything about putting films together, i saw whole stories unfold around each one, down to scenes and camera angles

the second one had hints for me, of the joker score, which I know we've discussed before
not in a "oh he's doing the joker..."
more a nod in that cold/lonely sound.

bravo sir

''i saw whole stories unfold around each one, down to scenes and camera angles'' that's soooo good to hear as I do try to put a bit of narrative into even the shortest, simplest pieces!

''i wish i knew anything about putting films together'' - me as well!

Happy to be compared to the Joker score any time, any place, in any way! Yeah, I hear the 'lonely' as well - interesting point.

Hildur Guðnadóttir - I knew nothing about her before that film...her music is quite extraordinary at times....wonderful combos of cello / electronica.

thats her!
the only other pieces ive heard, where some bits she did with i want to say sigur ros, but it wasnt but another of those icelandic bands that suddenly were everywhere for a bit a few years back

re narrative, when i say i saw scenes, i mean i could see a whole film!!!
which for such a short piece is really impressive!

and now for some reason, after hearing the first again, im think dr zhivago, which i only really remember moments of from the opening theme
but it has that "well, this looks like its going somewhere ..." feeling.
hope that makes sense, im baked!

[ChameleonMusic]

seriously good shit man!!!
i wish i knew anything about putting films together, i saw whole stories unfold around each one, down to scenes and camera angles

the second one had hints for me, of the joker score, which I know we've discussed before
not in a "oh he's doing the joker..."
more a nod in that cold/lonely sound.

bravo sir

''i saw whole stories unfold around each one, down to scenes and camera angles'' that's soooo good to hear as I do try to put a bit of narrative into even the shortest, simplest pieces!

''i wish i knew anything about putting films together'' - me as well!

Happy to be compared to the Joker score any time, any place, in any way! Yeah, I hear the 'lonely' as well - interesting point.

Hildur Guðnadóttir - I knew nothing about her before that film...her music is quite extraordinary at times....wonderful combos of cello / electronica.

thats her!
the only other pieces ive heard, where some bits she did with i want to say sigur ros, but it wasnt but another of those icelandic bands that suddenly were everywhere for a bit a few years back

re narrative, when i say i saw scenes, i mean i could see a whole film!!!
which for such a short piece is really impressive!

and now for some reason, after hearing the first again, im think dr zhivago, which i only really remember moments of from the opening theme
but it has that "well, this looks like its going somewhere ..." feeling.
hope that makes sense, im baked!

Yeah, that makes sense!

I'll look up any pop band collaborations...didn't know about those.

She also wrote the score for the mini series Chernobyl (only reason I watched it was for her music).

Also sings and writes quite distinctive choral music:

[ChameleonMusic]

this is an excellent mix, and yes it flows

Thanks - as I love your mixes, that's good to hear!

It Flows - ditto!

[ChameleonMusic]

Also the space is convincing. Not full-on naturalistic but 3D.

Thanks for the feedback about that aspect.

Yeah, I rarely aim for full-on naturalistic, but always TRY and achieve some sort of 3D.

[donkey tugger]

Good stuff. From a man who'll use a glockenspiel in a full on rockist arrangement, you'll get no criticism of the choice of sounds from me..

I was thinking on this;

Two short pieces that very much focus on ongoing movement - trying to get very subtle ebb and flow into the sustained sounds in particular...an attempt, I suppose, to lose a little bit of that sometimes all to perfect 'sample library' tone quality?

...and how long it must take doing the automation for those who are programming a lot of sampled stuff. I spend an inordinate amount of time on drums with micro edits for velocity/pitch/filtering/volume/eq/effects etc automation to try and enhance the realism (my guitar/bass playing is plenty, err, random 'humanized' already... ), so to duplicate that for all instruments must be some undertaking. There's a reason I always like mellotron sounds for strings - yes I like the olde timey sound, but also that you don't need to try and emulate 'realism' as it has its own associations, if you know what I mean.

[jancivil]

strings are fucken hard, unless all one wants is a bed or pads
and expensive if ya want it to fully work. I avoided strings until real recently except as a kind of sweetener or glue in the gaps.

[vurt]

strings are fucken hard, unless all one wants is a bed or pads
and expensive if ya want it to fully work. I avoided strings until real recently except as a kind of sweetener or glue in the gaps.

i think most acoustic stuff is bloody hard to get realism, and yup, you pay for it too!
but what mark and yourself do with these librarys, is something way beyond me, even though i know its been done entirely with midi, there are times i can see the orchestra/ensemble playing in my head!!!
its not just getting the notes in the right place, but knowing which articulations a player would use in a given moment, many people miss this, and its obvious its samples, even if very expensie ones, but eg, cello, making sure the bow sounds like its being pushed and pulled, obvious but not as easy in midi (imo)(for idiots like me anyway).

[ChameleonMusic]

Good stuff. From a man who'll use a glockenspiel in a full on rockist arrangement, you'll get no criticism of the choice of sounds from me.

I do love a bit of unconventional instrumentation...adds a bit of unexpected seasoning to the recipe!

how long it must take doing the automation for those who are programming a lot of sampled stuff.

Yeah, it's definitely time-consuming and the only thing I've found that helps at all is using automation templates...saves me a lot of time and effort with some orchestral projects.

but also that you don't need to try and emulate 'realism'

Agree 100% and I'm very rarely aiming at that personally...nowadays, I mainly write music for electronic sound sources and that for me is a totally different experience to writing for live performance (which I used to do a lot more).

I just think that adding little tweaks into the soundscape - particularly in terms of the ongoing ebb and flow of the sound is almost always a good idea anyway.

strings are fucken hard, unless all one wants is a bed or pads
and expensive if ya want it to fully work. I avoided strings until real recently except as a kind of sweetener or glue in the gaps.

AGREED! Strings are definitely the toughest nut to crack in terms of making them effective...

Yeah - in the mix or as simple sustains...pretty straightforward, but anything complex / involving subtle articulations quickly becomes quite tricky!

I tend to go for LASS for that sort of work - can work wonders with a good external reverb, but is very time-consuming indeed and complex to programme successfully.

[jancivil]

the design of VSL VI Pro makes work MUCH easier than a normal kontakt or something library, and the Synchron stage line along with that stage in MIR Pro is a different whole level than plain reverb. I have moments that can't exist with anything else, I couldn't go back.

[ChameleonMusic]

the design of VSL VI Pro makes work MUCH easier than a normal kontakt or something library, and the Synchron stage line along with that stage in MIR Pro is a different whole level than plain reverb. I have moments that can't exist with anything else, I couldn't go back.

Yeah, in particular, the potential for automated changes in articulation must be a Godsend!

There are some Kontakt libraries that have now gone down that route quite a bit, but in general, I've just learnt to trigger the articulation key switches 'live' with my left hand wherever possible + use templates that I've setup with all the various controller lanes already in place and ready to go.

It's not as smooth as the Vienna system by a looooooooooong way, but it is very workable.

MIR is the massive difference for me - I tried the demo and was very impressed indeed by the 3D results. sadly, I think it works at its very best within the Vienna environment (which I haven't invested in) and it's pretty expensive for the full version that I'd need for orchestral work....maybe at some point I'll take the leap?

3D mixes are definitely more difficult to create beyond such purpose built software as MIR, but it is still possible with various tweaks / edits / careful use of reverb/s.

[ChameleonMusic]

"The Space in Between": Very nice minimalistic melodic beginning.
Even has a high recognition value.

The cello, which seems very fragile, gives the whole thing, together
with the voices, a melancholic note. With each song, I first evaluate
the composition, then the implementation with sounds. You did both
well here.

This little snippet could well be the beginning of an epic, longer work,
taking the listener through ups and downs, alternating tension and
relaxation ... I'm just thinking about the possibilities of expanding and
extending it.

Thank you for having a listen and leaving some detailed feedback - always appreciated.

Extending into a longer piece with more variation - yeah, I agree...on my list when time allows!

[christopher_rocky]

I very much enjoyed both of these, I didn't find it static at all. thanks for sharing!

[ChameleonMusic]

I very much enjoyed both of these, I didn't find it static at all. thanks for sharing!

Thanks for having a listen - good that you don't think it's 'static'...subtle little bits of movement were very much an underlying focus with these 2!

[VCA-089]

Both pieces sounds really good. A perfect soundtracks to a historical or fantasy movie. The first piece could be even split into three sections where you can add dialogues or short scenes in between. It kinda benefits from such slow development.

The combo of choir chants and stings is totally dominated pop-culture in the last 10 years. The second piece sounds more fresh and organic with that unusual combination of instruments.