Feedback Thread
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 5 Mar, 2021
Bought NI Session Guitarist Strummed Acoustic from Blacklight memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=494357. Super nice guy and easy transaction 
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
Just had a major headache with user 'vatoz'.
We had a sale fall through for no fault of each other. But he threatened me with leaving shitty feedback, so here goes...
I have just taken 4/5 hours out of my life both yesterday and today to set up a wise account to transfer money to him/her, because he/she does not accept paypal. No problem.
For some reason Wise did not accept his/her payment details. I have screenshots if any Mods want to step in to double check, so I can prove everthing I'm saying. I've been buying plugins on this site for nearly 20 years now.
I tried again to complete the payment after wise paused it. I sent a polite PM to vatoz to explain to him that I was not messing him about as he accused me of. I'm dealing with a recently bereaved mother at the moment. And besides, I thought everything had gone fine, and that it would take a day or two for uhe to transfer the account. I only checked in on the offchance. And then I got this vague threat and attitude. I still sent vatoz the screenshots to show it was Wise that paused the transfer, not me.
After taking more time, I got a shitty PM saying he doesn't want to sell to me any more. Fine. All good. You can sell to whoever you want.
I took 4 or 5 hours out of my life to set up a new payment processor that I wasn't sure if I could trust, but you had good feedback, so I took a flyer on it.
I did not cancel or pause the transfer, vatoz. Wise did! And after me spending more time to politely explain this to you, you just turned around and told me to f**k off. Fine.
Now, my good man/woman, please be so kind to leave some feedback for me, like you threatened to. Uh?
I'm sure everyone wants to know what a shitty buyer I am after not once having a single problem in nearly 20 years of buying. I don't even sell plugins, I hoard them. But you can find feedback for me too as a seller on the rare instance I have.
Just to be clear. It took me 4 or 5 hours out of my life to deal with this. And I have no reason why Wise cancelled/paused the payment. It turns out that I already has a wise account that I set up a year or two ago and forgot about, so I had to re-register again. New mobiles. New landlines. New 2 factor authorisation. I'm prepared to go through it forensically with any Mod that wants to know. I also have all screenshots. It's possible that that had something to do with it. But I was told categorically by wise that there was a problem with your bank details. That was all the info they gave me. And all the info I can give you.
It's been a real pleasure doing business with you vatoz.
I would suggest to any prospecive buyers that they don't bother with Wise transfers and don't buy from this serious timewaster.
Now how about that feedback you threatened to leave for me, vatoz?
Let's hear your side of the story.
We had a sale fall through for no fault of each other. But he threatened me with leaving shitty feedback, so here goes...
I have just taken 4/5 hours out of my life both yesterday and today to set up a wise account to transfer money to him/her, because he/she does not accept paypal. No problem.
For some reason Wise did not accept his/her payment details. I have screenshots if any Mods want to step in to double check, so I can prove everthing I'm saying. I've been buying plugins on this site for nearly 20 years now.
I tried again to complete the payment after wise paused it. I sent a polite PM to vatoz to explain to him that I was not messing him about as he accused me of. I'm dealing with a recently bereaved mother at the moment. And besides, I thought everything had gone fine, and that it would take a day or two for uhe to transfer the account. I only checked in on the offchance. And then I got this vague threat and attitude. I still sent vatoz the screenshots to show it was Wise that paused the transfer, not me.
After taking more time, I got a shitty PM saying he doesn't want to sell to me any more. Fine. All good. You can sell to whoever you want.
I took 4 or 5 hours out of my life to set up a new payment processor that I wasn't sure if I could trust, but you had good feedback, so I took a flyer on it.
I did not cancel or pause the transfer, vatoz. Wise did! And after me spending more time to politely explain this to you, you just turned around and told me to f**k off. Fine.
Now, my good man/woman, please be so kind to leave some feedback for me, like you threatened to. Uh?
I'm sure everyone wants to know what a shitty buyer I am after not once having a single problem in nearly 20 years of buying. I don't even sell plugins, I hoard them. But you can find feedback for me too as a seller on the rare instance I have.
Just to be clear. It took me 4 or 5 hours out of my life to deal with this. And I have no reason why Wise cancelled/paused the payment. It turns out that I already has a wise account that I set up a year or two ago and forgot about, so I had to re-register again. New mobiles. New landlines. New 2 factor authorisation. I'm prepared to go through it forensically with any Mod that wants to know. I also have all screenshots. It's possible that that had something to do with it. But I was told categorically by wise that there was a problem with your bank details. That was all the info they gave me. And all the info I can give you.
It's been a real pleasure doing business with you vatoz.
I would suggest to any prospecive buyers that they don't bother with Wise transfers and don't buy from this serious timewaster.
Now how about that feedback you threatened to leave for me, vatoz?
Let's hear your side of the story.
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
Oh, and to top it off. I just got another sarcy shitty PM from vatoz. He/she has sold the plugin to someone else, with the exact same bank details, wouldn't you know?
He/she has not updated their ad. And unless that person bought the plugin in the last 3 minutes, then they didn't have the decency to tell me it had been sold, even after I asked them.
That smacks of a certain amount of malice to me, because I did ask, I was led to believe the plugin was still available, and I tried again to pay for it.
Why did you not have the decency to tell me the plugin was already sold, vatoz, after me explicitly asking you? You let me waste even more of my time, just because you thought you'd been wronged, you thought you would mess me about even further.
The ad in question:
viewtopic.php?p=8449847#p8449847
Now, how about that feedback you threatened to leave for me, for messing YOU about and wasting YOUR time?
He/she has not updated their ad. And unless that person bought the plugin in the last 3 minutes, then they didn't have the decency to tell me it had been sold, even after I asked them.
That smacks of a certain amount of malice to me, because I did ask, I was led to believe the plugin was still available, and I tried again to pay for it.
Why did you not have the decency to tell me the plugin was already sold, vatoz, after me explicitly asking you? You let me waste even more of my time, just because you thought you'd been wronged, you thought you would mess me about even further.
The ad in question:
viewtopic.php?p=8449847#p8449847
Now, how about that feedback you threatened to leave for me, for messing YOU about and wasting YOUR time?
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- KVRist
- 50 posts since 27 Mar, 2021
Hi codec_spurt. The thing is briefly that you said you deposited the money through Wise and for some reason wise told me that you stopped the transfer. When you didn't text me, I said I couldn't sell you the diva. Also i said, I can't write anything about you in the feedback section because I don't know your intentions exactly. Better yet, I allow you to share correspondence. Let me share if you want. Also, I sold the Diva to Akora only. I could have sold it to you if I had bad intentions. Please consider the presumption of innocence when commenting. Sorry for my english.codec_spurt wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:35 pm Oh, and to top it off. I just got another sarcy shitty PM from vatoz. He/she has sold the plugin to someone else, with the exact same bank details, wouldn't you know?
He/she has not updated their ad. And unless that person bought the plugin in the last 3 minutes, then they didn't have the decency to tell me it had been sold, even after I asked them.
That smacks of a certain amount of malice to me, because I did ask, I was led to believe the plugin was still available, and I tried again to pay for it.
Why did you not have the decency to tell me the plugin was already sold, vatoz, after me explicitly asking you? You let me waste even more of my time, just because you thought you'd been wronged, you thought you would mess me about even further.
The ad in question:
viewtopic.php?p=8449847#p8449847
Now, how about that feedback you threatened to leave for me, for messing YOU about and wasting YOUR time?
- KVRist
- 268 posts since 18 Oct, 2018
Bought OTS Evolution Rock Standard from @limeopolis
Whole deal was done, from PM to me getting the license in under 10 minutes.
@limeopolis Fast, Trustworthy Seller!
Whole deal was done, from PM to me getting the license in under 10 minutes.
@limeopolis Fast, Trustworthy Seller!
View my KVR Marketplace Feedback: search.php?keywords=chrisbryant&t=74467&sf=msgonly.
- KVRAF
- 2744 posts since 5 Dec, 2003 from Harlan's World
Sold Komplete 13 to Pingi. Very nice guy, fast and friendly communication. Can recommend him.
My Soundcloud Too many pieces of music finish far too long after the end. - Stravinsky
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
vatoz wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:52 pmHi codec_spurt. The thing is briefly that you said you deposited the money through Wise and for some reason wise told me that you stopped the transfer. When you didn't text me, I said I couldn't sell you the diva. Also i said, I can't write anything about you in the feedback section because I don't know your intentions exactly. Better yet, I allow you to share correspondence. Let me share if you want. Also, I sold the Diva to Akora only. I could have sold it to you if I had bad intentions. Please consider the presumption of innocence when commenting. Sorry for my english.codec_spurt wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:35 pm Oh, and to top it off. I just got another sarcy shitty PM from vatoz. He/she has sold the plugin to someone else, with the exact same bank details, wouldn't you know?
He/she has not updated their ad. And unless that person bought the plugin in the last 3 minutes, then they didn't have the decency to tell me it had been sold, even after I asked them.
That smacks of a certain amount of malice to me, because I did ask, I was led to believe the plugin was still available, and I tried again to pay for it.
Why did you not have the decency to tell me the plugin was already sold, vatoz, after me explicitly asking you? You let me waste even more of my time, just because you thought you'd been wronged, you thought you would mess me about even further.
The ad in question:
viewtopic.php?p=8449847#p8449847
Now, how about that feedback you threatened to leave for me, for messing YOU about and wasting YOUR time?
Hi codec_spurt. The thing is briefly that you said you deposited the money through Wise and for some reason wise told me that you stopped the transfer. When you didn't text me, I said I couldn't sell you the diva.
This is a lie. I asked you explicitly if the plugin was still available. You led me on. I tried to pay for it again. Remember, I have screenshots with timelines that any Mod can see on request. Be very careful of what you say. This was a lie.
Also i said, I can't write anything about you in the feedback section because I don't know your intentions exactly. Better yet, I allow you to share correspondence. Let me share if you want.
This is disingenuous of you. You threatened me with leaving bad feedback. Again, the Mods are welcome to see what you wrote. I will give full disclosure of anything I wrote in reply to you.
Also, I sold the Diva to Akora only. I could have sold it to you if I had bad intentions. Please consider the presumption of innocence when commenting. Sorry for my english.
Your English was good enough to carry out a transaction of which I spent about 6 hours of my time. I just added it up. It wasn't 4/5 hours. Closer to 6 - nearly a whole day's work to deal with you.
Please consider the presumption of innocence when commenting.
No. You don't get out of it that easy. Not when you sent me such shitty sarcy comments, accusing me of canceling the deal, accusing me of messing you about, you not having the decency to tell me the plugin had already been sold, after I asked you, and with me then trying to pay for it again.
And all with a shitty sarcy f**k you at the end of it!
One thing is for sure, I won't ever attempt to use Wise again. And you are to blame for that. I had a failure to pay with them before and all with no reason. You now have my real name, my real email address and with access to my banking information. I'm not sure if this is a scam or not. You sold Diva once before me. Maybe you bought it again. Maybe you bought two copies and sold them both. I don't know.
But something seems very off about you vatoz. Other buyers can deal with you. Other buyers can use Wise Transfer. But this is my feedback about you and the 6 hours you wasted out of my life while I was dealing with the death of a family member.
I did not cancel the deal. I have the screenshots all the way from Wise about my payments to you. They paused it, not me. And after me spending that six hours with you, you just shat on my head like a little boy/girl having a tantrum.
You are a malicious person vatoz. It is extremely bad form to not tell someone a plugin has been sold when it already has, just so you can have a little 'ah ha up yours' at someone you think has wronged you.
A pleasant person would have said: Oh I'm sorry, your payment did not go through for whatever reason, so I sold to someone else.
A malicious person would have implied: oh so you canceled the deal - YOU WASTE MY TIME I'M GONNA LEAVE BAD FEEDBACK ABOUT YOU - yes the plugin is still available why don't you waste more time trying to pay for it?
I acted in good faith at every step. Mods are free to see every single message and every single screenshot of the official payment I made to you. You now have my real name, and you have the fact I have an official uhe account. I am not happy about this.
I don't think you are acting in good faith, vatoz. You are either very immature, or very spiteful, or downright malicious.
If I get the time I will make a thread here about the Wise Transfer method of payment. I could not find any when I searched. I took a chance on that, and got bit on the arse.
Once bitten, twice shy.
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- KVRist
- 50 posts since 27 Mar, 2021
If you allow, I will share the messages. In this way, people can decide who is telling the truth. Do you accept?codec_spurt wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:57 pmvatoz wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:52 pmHi codec_spurt. The thing is briefly that you said you deposited the money through Wise and for some reason wise told me that you stopped the transfer. When you didn't text me, I said I couldn't sell you the diva. Also i said, I can't write anything about you in the feedback section because I don't know your intentions exactly. Better yet, I allow you to share correspondence. Let me share if you want. Also, I sold the Diva to Akora only. I could have sold it to you if I had bad intentions. Please consider the presumption of innocence when commenting. Sorry for my english.codec_spurt wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:35 pm Oh, and to top it off. I just got another sarcy shitty PM from vatoz. He/she has sold the plugin to someone else, with the exact same bank details, wouldn't you know?
He/she has not updated their ad. And unless that person bought the plugin in the last 3 minutes, then they didn't have the decency to tell me it had been sold, even after I asked them.
That smacks of a certain amount of malice to me, because I did ask, I was led to believe the plugin was still available, and I tried again to pay for it.
Why did you not have the decency to tell me the plugin was already sold, vatoz, after me explicitly asking you? You let me waste even more of my time, just because you thought you'd been wronged, you thought you would mess me about even further.
The ad in question:
viewtopic.php?p=8449847#p8449847
Now, how about that feedback you threatened to leave for me, for messing YOU about and wasting YOUR time?
Hi codec_spurt. The thing is briefly that you said you deposited the money through Wise and for some reason wise told me that you stopped the transfer. When you didn't text me, I said I couldn't sell you the diva.
This is a lie. I asked you explicitly if the plugin was still available. You led me on. I tried to pay for it again. Remember, I have screenshots with timelines that any Mod can see on request. Be very careful of what you say. This was a lie.
Also i said, I can't write anything about you in the feedback section because I don't know your intentions exactly. Better yet, I allow you to share correspondence. Let me share if you want.
This is disingenuous of you. You threatened me with leaving bad feedback. Again, the Mods are welcome to see what you wrote. I will give full disclosure of anything I wrote in reply to you.
Also, I sold the Diva to Akora only. I could have sold it to you if I had bad intentions. Please consider the presumption of innocence when commenting. Sorry for my english.
Your English was good enough to carry out a transaction of which I spent about 6 hours of my time. I just added it up. It wasn't 4/5 hours. Closer to 6 - nearly a whole day's work to deal with you.
Please consider the presumption of innocence when commenting.
No. You don't get out of it that easy. Not when you sent me such shitty sarcy comments, accusing me of canceling the deal, accusing me of messing you about, you not having the decency to tell me the plugin had already been sold, after I asked you, and with me then trying to pay for it again.
And all with a shitty sarcy f**k you at the end of it!
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One thing is for sure, I won't ever attempt to use Wise again. And you are to blame for that. I had a failure to pay with them before and all with no reason. You now have my real name, my real email address and with access to my banking information. I'm not sure if this is a scam or not. You sold Diva once before me. Maybe you bought it again. Maybe you bought two copies and sold them both. I don't know.
But something seems very off about you vatoz. Other buyers can deal with you. Other buyers can use Wise Transfer. But this is my feedback about you and the 6 hours you wasted out of my life while I was dealing with the death of a family member.
I did not cancel the deal. I have the screenshots all the way from Wise about my payments to you. They paused it, not me. And after me spending that six hours with you, you just shat on my head like a little boy/girl having a tantrum.
You are a malicious person vatoz. It is extremely bad form to not tell someone a plugin has been sold when it already has, just so you can have a little 'ah ha up yours' at someone you think has wronged you.
A pleasant person would have said: Oh I'm sorry, your payment did not go through for whatever reason, so I sold to someone else.
A malicious person would have implied: oh so you canceled the deal - YOU WASTE MY TIME I'M GONNA LEAVE BAD FEEDBACK ABOUT YOU - yes the plugin is still available why don't you waste more time trying to pay for it?
I acted in good faith at every step. Mods are free to see every single message and every single screenshot of the official payment I made to you. You now have my real name, and you have the fact I have an official uhe account. I am not happy about this.
I don't think you are acting in good faith, vatoz. You are either very immature, or very spiteful, or downright malicious.
If I get the time I will make a thread here about the Wise Transfer method of payment. I could not find any when I searched. I took a chance on that, and got bit on the arse.
Once bitten, twice shy.
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