CLAP 1.0 betas for ACE, Diva, Hive, MFM 2.5

[baconpaul]

Is there a way to do audio rate modulation via Bitwig's polyphonic modulators? Would this work in Bazille?

Clap modulation is sample accurate but it currently throttles at 64 samples in bitwig. We are working on true audio rate data transfer in the spec

[Hanz Meyzer]

Very nice! Will it introduce some latency then?

[EvilDragon]

Not apart from your audio buffer size that the host must use.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Ah ok, and is this a problem on the host, the plugin or both?

[baconpaul]

Very nice! Will it introduce some latency then?

So here’s how it works

There is an event queue which is populated ahead of time by the daw containing all the events to be rendered - modulation, note activity, transport changes, params are all just a sample ordered queue of events with type and payload

That means a host can know the events for a block and poplars that list and you get rendering independent of block size (for recorder events). No latency.

Of course if the plugin algo introduces latency that makes a difference. Surge can only process a note on every 32 samples for instance and so notes are amortized 16 samples late when recorded. And live events obviously go to the “next” block

If you want to understand this more really it’s easier to just read the darned code! The clap saw demo lays it out pretty clearly

[baconpaul]

Not apart from your audio buffer size that the host must use.

For live events this is true but for recorded ones or generated ones in a recording the buffer size is irrelevant

[kuniklo]

This is a courageous and necessary effort. Kudos to everyone involved!

I think this is the impetus I needed to add Hive to my U-He collection.

[pdxindy]

This is a courageous and necessary effort. Kudos to everyone involved!

I think this is the impetus I needed to add Hive to my U-He collection.

I've been having lots of fun exploring Hive (CLAP version) and Bitwig's per voice modulation today. Hive's a fantastic synth even without that addition. The comb filters combined with wavetables makes my favorite modeled plucks of any synth in terms of sound and ease of use. But with CLAP and Bitwig it is even better!

[Tj Shredder]

Is there a way to do audio rate modulation via Bitwig's polyphonic modulators? Would this work in Bazille?

Clap does allow exactly that. But its not yet working in these betas. It does work in Surge…

[tasmaniandevil]

Found a bug in Hive CLAP (M1 Air Big Sur)
Copy-paste between Mod Matrix rows doesn't appear to be working.

Thanks so much for reporting this.
Just FYI, the module preset save function is also broken in the CLAP version.
We'll fix that asap.

Please keep the bug reports coming.
We are immensely grateful for all your engagement and help, guys.

[elnn]

So I guess Berlin Modular will be coming after all : )

[QLNE]

Being old and fuzzy, I remember the transition from analog to digital and the manufacturer wars over communication standards which resulted in MIDI. As that format became standardized, we were mesmerized by its capabilities but baffled as to how to actually use it. This was all before cell phones and the internet, you understand.

So manufacturers and various computer companies thoughtfully released explanatory documents usually titled “MIDI for Morons” or something to that effect. These were actually quite helpful.

CLAP has the same vibe to become a standard which, in the future, we will look back and wonder how we ever survived without it. I own Bitwig and lots and lots of U-he, but I’ve pulled a muscle in my frontal lobe trying to understand it all.

So, is there a nice, easy reading document explaining CLAP and it’s applications? Sort of a “CLAP for Chumps” or something like that?

[pdxindy]

Today I was using Bitwig's Channel-16 and ParSeq-8 modulators to add parameter modulation only to specific notes in a midi clip with the rest of the notes unaffected, even if overlapping. Very cool capability!

[baconpaul]

So, is there a nice, easy reading document explaining CLAP and it’s applications?

Right now we have the announcement documents and video, these threads, and the spec. The spec is of utmost importance, of course, because people are implementing right now (like, literally, as we speak). But I'm sure more digestible things will appear. I thought this video was good for instance but there's lots around.

And I'm sure the rash of streaming Q&As and podcasts and stuff will follow too.

Stay tuned! The 1.0 spec gives great benefit to users in the synths we've already ported as that and other videos show, but the 1.0 documentation is, indeed, more dev than end user focused.

[baconpaul]

Today I was using Bitwig's Channel-16 and ParSeq-8 modulators to add parameter modulation only to specific notes in a midi clip with the rest of the notes unaffected, even if overlapping. Very cool capability!

yeah for many folks, once you do this once, the light bulb seems to go off. it did for me, once i had surge implemented to support that.