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FarleyCZ · Post by **FarleyCZ** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:13 am

Oh my god. Just reading up about all this. Wow. I'm crossing my fingers really hard for Ableton to get on board. Hope there isn't any bad blood between them and Bitwig guys.

The JUCE extension is huge news. Do we know if Julian himself is on board?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:24 am

Julian posted somewhere else something akin to CLAP looking like a fit for his new project at Soundstacks.

Afaik he is not involved with JUCE anymore, but we've talked to them before and we'll continue to do so once the dust settles

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:31 am

One thing I am wondering about is that the CLAPs I installed have extra instrument and fx versions. In Bitwig at least there is no restriction where I put a plugin. If it deals with Midi, it will take it, if it deals with audio as well…
A plugin should just tell the host what it can deal with. The selection regarding being an instrument or an effect in the browser is helpful, but should be simply handled by what a plugin uses as input. If it can deal with Midi and audio, it simply needs to be listed as instrument and as effect. No second duplicated version needed.
Is that an adaption to how hosts deal with it? Could I simply delete the fx version and still use it as effect?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:44 am

CLAP tells the host in detail what it is, what it can do and how to describe it best. That's part of the metadata thing in the announcement.

CLAP is also three days old, so whatever needs to be done (or can be done) on the host side will emerge over time. I mean, beyond the raw hosting part.

baconpaul · Post by **baconpaul** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:53 am

Tj Shredder wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:31 am One thing I am wondering about is that the CLAPs I installed have extra instrument and fx versions. In Bitwig at least there is no restriction where I put a plugin. If it deals with Midi, it will take it, if it deals with audio as well

Urs comment is spot on. It would b useful to know which claps do this?

I checked surge family and the saw demo and they of course advertise their ports (audio and note) as the definitive source but surge Monique and saw demo show up as instruments, surge fx as an effect, and bstep as a note effect in bws 43b6 for me,

Thanks!

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:09 pm

baconpaul wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:53 am Urs comment is spot on. It would b useful to know which claps do this?

I think it was my fault, I thought Surge XT effect is the same as Surge XT. It is not. I realized it, after instantiating the instrument and as oscillator choose audio input, but I got no sound, then I tried effect and I see its different…
Sorry for the confusion. I just wonder about the osc audio input, I assumed it should just lead the audio through and should make sound if I send something to the input and play Midi notes at the same time… (I sent a synth sound in…)

baconpaul · Post by **baconpaul** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:27 pm

Tj Shredder wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:09 pm
baconpaul wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:53 am Urs comment is spot on. It would b useful to know which claps do this?
I think it was my fault, I thought Surge XT effect is the same as Surge XT. It is not. I realized it, after instantiating the instrument and as oscillator choose audio input, but I got no sound, then I tried effect and I see its different…
Sorry for the confusion. I just wonder about the osc audio input, I assumed it should just lead the audio through and should make sound if I send something to the input and play Midi notes at the same time… (I sent a synth sound in…)

Yeah the audio input comes in via the bitwig side chain. And then goes into the voice manager. So if you are not in latch and have no keys down, the audio oscillator does nothing.

If you latch it you will get what you expect though. At least I did when I tested back in the 46beta5 days. Things are moving fast so let me know if that doesn't work

lalo · Post by **lalo** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:22 pm

One of the worst drawback is the substantial lack of MIDI Program Change support in VST3 that makes totally unusable VST3 instruments/effects in a live performance situation. Hope that CLAP will fill this absurd hole!!
BTW just bought BitWig just to enjoy polyphonic modulation...what a dream!!!...just wettin' my pants waitin' for MIDI2 controllers

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:32 pm

lalo wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:22 pm BTW just bought BitWig just to enjoy polyphonic modulation...what a dream!!!...just wettin' my pants waitin' for MIDI2 controllers

I was on my way back to Ableton and then CLAP happens!

Totally sold on Bitwig now.
Some of Pdxindy demos

with my favorite plugins (u-he), just pushed me over the edge.

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:03 pm

The new database is up: https://clapdb.tech

And discussions and submissions are here: viewtopic.php?t=583501

u-u-u · Post by **u-u-u** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:15 am

(if you haven't seen it already)

(more on the developer side of CLAP)

elnn · Post by **elnn** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:33 am

Not the right place to raise this, but I'm a doofus at such matters.

I've been wondering.

Pitch movements can be
(a) free pitch ->(quantizer)-> quantized pitch :: applying a lattice over continuous values
(b) quantized pitch ->(modifier)-> free pitch :: applying continuous modifiers over a lattice

Apart from backward compatibility (which seems possible to overcome by inserting quantizers and dequantizers), why do CLAP and MIDI 2.0 opt for (b) instead of (a)? Is (a) not a more general and adaptable, thus future-proof approach?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:55 am

The note number not only defines the base pitch, it’s also an id for further modulation (pressure…)

SeBaer · Post by **SeBaer** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:59 am

I just had kind of a stupid idea:
Would it technically be possible with CLAP to realize some kind of feedback loop, for example for a reverb or delay effect, where an external effect, like a filter, was inserted in the loop?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:31 pm

I wouldn’t recommend it

u-he

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