If you click on "All downloads" it will show 1.5.1 if you have Pro (or a subscription. It's still an early access build which is why it's not shown by default on the main page.teilo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:34 pmWhere? It's not in my account (I have Vital Pro). The current 1.5.1 Early Access for Mac that I have available does not include a CLAP plugin.
I see a post on their forum that someone "found it" but they don't say where, and it's nowhere on the site that I can see.
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- KVRist
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- KVRAF
- 25417 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I manually extracted and installed 1.5.1 on my Apple Silicon MBP (installer requires Rosetta). There was no CLAP version in there.mtytel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:28 amIf you click on "All downloads" it will show 1.5.1 if you have Pro (or a subscription. It's still an early access build which is why it's not shown by default on the main page.teilo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:34 pmWhere? It's not in my account (I have Vital Pro). The current 1.5.1 Early Access for Mac that I have available does not include a CLAP plugin.
I see a post on their forum that someone "found it" but they don't say where, and it's nowhere on the site that I can see.
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- KVRian
- 537 posts since 23 Jan, 2008 from Hamburg, Germany
Great project.
Maybe you should consider adding web targets as well. I'm currently looking into loading compiling CLAP plugins as WebAssembly and load them into hosts that run in a browser.
I don't know if this will ever be a thing but technically it should be possible and now all the licensing issues are out of the way too. There are already audio filters and "modular components" included in the streaming interfaces of modern browsers. It would be great to have CLAP as WebAssemby to be an official extension to this system at some point.
Maybe you should consider adding web targets as well. I'm currently looking into loading compiling CLAP plugins as WebAssembly and load them into hosts that run in a browser.
I don't know if this will ever be a thing but technically it should be possible and now all the licensing issues are out of the way too. There are already audio filters and "modular components" included in the streaming interfaces of modern browsers. It would be great to have CLAP as WebAssemby to be an official extension to this system at some point.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
This this Windows/Linux only? The Mac download has no CLAP plugin.mtytel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:28 amIf you click on "All downloads" it will show 1.5.1 if you have Pro (or a subscription. It's still an early access build which is why it's not shown by default on the main page.teilo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:34 pmWhere? It's not in my account (I have Vital Pro). The current 1.5.1 Early Access for Mac that I have available does not include a CLAP plugin.
I see a post on their forum that someone "found it" but they don't say where, and it's nowhere on the site that I can see.
CLAP Software Database: https://clapdb.tech. KVR Discussion Topic.
- KVRist
- 190 posts since 3 Jan, 2021
It's definitely there for Linux yeah:
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$ unzip -l VitalInstaller.zip
Archive: VitalInstaller.zip
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0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/
0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/vst3/
0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/vst3/Vital.vst3/
0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/vst3/Vital.vst3/Contents/
0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/vst3/Vital.vst3/Contents/x86_64-linux/
22742392 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/vst3/Vital.vst3/Contents/x86_64-linux/Vital.so
0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/vst/
22575784 2022-06-21 13:22 VitalInstaller/lib/vst/Vital.so
0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/clap/
22593336 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/lib/clap/Vital.clap
0 2022-06-21 13:24 VitalInstaller/bin/
21842104 2022-06-21 13:20 VitalInstaller/bin/Vital
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- KVRist
- 186 posts since 28 Jan, 2013 from Oakland
Ah I think the last build failed because I needed to re-sign apple contracts so I can notarize the installer. (happens every month or so)
Should work now I think
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
Ok, it's in the installer now.
It's pretty bugged out, though. In Bitwig, there's a major window issue. The plugin takes up only 1/4 of the window, and the window is 4X too big.
CLAP Software Database: https://clapdb.tech. KVR Discussion Topic.
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- KVRAF
- 2629 posts since 10 Jan, 2005
Full Bucket Music has just released one of its plugins .. in CLAP format
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/full-buck ... free-55263
- Mario
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- KVRAF
- 6305 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
I guess we also need entries for supported CLAP features.
Bloo for instance seems to be a basic CLAP port without any support for the extended features.
That could become rather confusing for a while in CLAP land...
Is there something in the specs to somehow let the user know what is supported and what not?
ATM it's rather hit and miss.
But great to see the growing support!
Cheers,
Tom
Bloo for instance seems to be a basic CLAP port without any support for the extended features.
That could become rather confusing for a while in CLAP land...
Is there something in the specs to somehow let the user know what is supported and what not?
ATM it's rather hit and miss.
But great to see the growing support!
Cheers,
Tom
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Are you talking about polyphonic modulation for instruments? Or other features? I'm not aware of anything else [in terms of new capabilities] that Clap really offers that I think warrants being called out separately other than that.ThomasHelzle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:33 pm I guess we also need entries for supported CLAP features.
Bloo for instance seems to be a basic CLAP port without any support for the extended features.
That could become rather confusing for a while in CLAP land...
Is there something in the specs to somehow let the user know what is supported and what not?
ATM it's rather hit and miss.
But great to see the growing support!
Cheers,
Tom
- KVRAF
- 6305 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
- Polyphonic Modulation (what parameters work, which don't).
- Non-Destructive Modulation.
- Host provided Microtuning.
- Thread Pooling (not as directly important for the user, but helps deciding which version to use).
Those are probably the most important.
In Bitwig, parameters that support Polyphonic Modulation are green, while Monophonic ones are blue.
Cheers,
Tom
- Non-Destructive Modulation.
- Host provided Microtuning.
- Thread Pooling (not as directly important for the user, but helps deciding which version to use).
Those are probably the most important.
In Bitwig, parameters that support Polyphonic Modulation are green, while Monophonic ones are blue.
Cheers,
Tom
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
If Teilo is up for it, then I'd support including that, but that would definitely add complexity for the site. If a developer didn't specifically call out the features were/were not included, then how would Teilo know which plugins included which features? And outside of thread-pooling, those features would only be applicable to instruments.ThomasHelzle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:07 pm - Polyphonic Modulation (what parameters work, which don't).
- Non-Destructive Modulation.
- Host provided Microtuning.
- Thread Pooling (not as directly important for the user, but helps deciding which version to use).
Those are probably the most important.
In Bitwig, parameters that support Polyphonic Modulation are green, while Monophonic ones are blue.
Cheers,
Tom
I'd be 100% fine with users having to sort that out themselves if Teilo didn't have the capacity to track that. With only a handful of CLAP plugins, it may not seem like a big deal now, but as the number of CLAP plugins increases dramatically, it could be a nightmare to track all that.
So, I think it's a good idea, but not absolutely necessary and of course would totally be up to Teilo.
- KVRAF
- 6305 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
That is my point, it will become a nightmare for the users to track as well.
And I agree, why not leave it to Teilo to decide what to include?
Devs and Users could report these things here, so it shouldn't become too hard on him hopefully.
Cheers,
Tom
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- KVRAF
- 4465 posts since 27 Jul, 2004
While atm (and probably for a long time) this affects mostly Bitwig users only, doesn´t it?ThomasHelzle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:35 pmThat is my point, it will become a nightmare for the users to track as well.
And I agree, why not leave it to Teilo to decide what to include?
Devs and Users could report these things here, so it shouldn't become too hard on him hopefully.
Cheers,
Tom
For anybody else when clap is supported i.e. Reaper has already gave some preview about clap support but cannot make use of the polyphonic stuff anyway, it will make no difference at the end of the day...
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Of course it's up to him! But have you ever heard the phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the oil?" I'm just letting him know that as a user of his site, I'd be ok with him not including that info if it's burdensome. It's a "nice to have" for me and in no way a requirement.ThomasHelzle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:35 pm That is my point, it will become a nightmare for the users to track as well.
And I agree, why not leave it to Teilo to decide what to include?
Devs and Users could report these things here, so it shouldn't become too hard on him hopefully.
Teilo will ultimately decide whether it's worth pursuing - it's his site. It's all good!