Want to mention again how useful it is being able to have Bitwig's per voice modulators work with the CLAP plugins.
Even something simple like a touch of random modulation on the filter envelope decay in Diva adds a lovely nuanced variation to a sound.
Thanks for this!
CLAP 1.0 betas for ACE, Diva, Hive, MFM 2.5
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- KVRAF
- 3412 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
i agree. it is actually amazing and something i was previously only able when building stuff in Reaktor. This opens up really fun stuff on other vst's. I like itpdxindy wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:07 pm Want to mention again how useful it is being able to have Bitwig's per voice modulators work with the CLAP plugins.
Even something simple like a touch of random modulation on the filter envelope decay in Diva adds a lovely nuanced variation to a sound.
Thanks for this!
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- KVRAF
- 12459 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
The few times I played around with the Clap version of Diva (running in Bitwig 4.3 on Windows), doing polyphonic modulation of a few parameters, I've gotten occasional audio pops. This was on a AMD 3950x, initially with a 64 sample buffer, but then also with 128 using an RME Fireface 800. The CPU in Bitwig looked like it was ok, the CPU meter in Windows was showing about 7% used up by Bitwig.
Last night, the patch was based on one of the Roland Templates, probably the Jupiter. It was a basic polyphonic keys patch. I assigned a random modulator to the filter cutoff doing polyphonic S&H type sounds, and another random to just slightly modulate decay, release, and attack times and hold the random value on note press.
Are the audio glitches expected behavior due to the stricter error reporting? Or is polyphonic modulation just very CPU intensive? But if so, I'm not really seeing that reflected in a CPU meter. Note: I'm also totally a Bitwig newbie, so it's possible I don't have it optimized for my system, but the basic buffer settings and audio interface are setup correctly best I can tell.
Note: Multicore was off in Diva.
Last night, the patch was based on one of the Roland Templates, probably the Jupiter. It was a basic polyphonic keys patch. I assigned a random modulator to the filter cutoff doing polyphonic S&H type sounds, and another random to just slightly modulate decay, release, and attack times and hold the random value on note press.
Are the audio glitches expected behavior due to the stricter error reporting? Or is polyphonic modulation just very CPU intensive? But if so, I'm not really seeing that reflected in a CPU meter. Note: I'm also totally a Bitwig newbie, so it's possible I don't have it optimized for my system, but the basic buffer settings and audio interface are setup correctly best I can tell.
Note: Multicore was off in Diva.
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
For duo phonic mode I think you need monophonic modulation for now. Otherwise Diva might jump from one modulation to another when you play, just like in legato mode.
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- KVRAF
- 3156 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
There's been mention on KVR/MUTOOLS forum that the CLAP platform doesn't allow you to choose install paths, is this true?
And will your CLAP synths and fx remain portable if the above is not true. I was planning on a bulk purchase of all uhe stuff, but if portability is sacrificed, that is a major issue for me.
Congratulations on the release and hope all goes well for the future of this new standard.
And will your CLAP synths and fx remain portable if the above is not true. I was planning on a bulk purchase of all uhe stuff, but if portability is sacrificed, that is a major issue for me.
Congratulations on the release and hope all goes well for the future of this new standard.
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
There is thread about install paths here:sl23 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:55 am There's been mention on KVR/MUTOOLS forum that the CLAP platform doesn't allow you to choose install paths, is this true?
And will your CLAP synths and fx remain portable if the above is not true. I was planning on a bulk purchase of all uhe stuff, but if portability is sacrificed, that is a major issue for me.
Congratulations on the release and hope all goes well for the future of this new standard.
viewtopic.php?t=583188
Short answer: You can set any location you want, but a few fixed ones are predefined.
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- KVRAF
- 3156 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
Thank you for the reply and the link.
I'm still unclear after reading that page, so, at present, your vst's are able to install and be moved anywhere as long as the .data folder is in the dll folder or a link to it is provided there.
Does it work the same with CLAP?
Personally, I don't even understand why any program is developed as an install only option and not portable. So on that linked page, there's someone with 600 vst's, any problem that forces a Windows rei stallation and that's 600 vst's that need reinstalling! And no one has a problem with that? Weird!
I've had this happen on a few occasions. Now I only use portable programs and vst's! Sooo much easier than having to rei stall loads of apps after a system screw up! Just copy and paste the lot from a backup, we all keep backups, don't we?
I'm still unclear after reading that page, so, at present, your vst's are able to install and be moved anywhere as long as the .data folder is in the dll folder or a link to it is provided there.
Does it work the same with CLAP?
Personally, I don't even understand why any program is developed as an install only option and not portable. So on that linked page, there's someone with 600 vst's, any problem that forces a Windows rei stallation and that's 600 vst's that need reinstalling! And no one has a problem with that? Weird!
I've had this happen on a few occasions. Now I only use portable programs and vst's! Sooo much easier than having to rei stall loads of apps after a system screw up! Just copy and paste the lot from a backup, we all keep backups, don't we?
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- KVRAF
- 9560 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
This sounds like a OS problem. I never had to reinstall anything after a reinstall of my OS. My backup deals with it. Do you do backups by hand?sl23 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:21 pm Thank you for the reply and the link.
I'm still unclear after reading that page, so, at present, your vst's are able to install and be moved anywhere as long as the .data folder is in the dll folder or a link to it is provided there.
Does it work the same with CLAP?
Personally, I don't even understand why any program is developed as an install only option and not portable. So on that linked page, there's someone with 600 vst's, any problem that forces a Windows rei stallation and that's 600 vst's that need reinstalling! And no one has a problem with that? Weird!
I've had this happen on a few occasions. Now I only use portable programs and vst's! Sooo much easier than having to rei stall loads of apps after a system screw up! Just copy and paste the lot from a backup, we all keep backups, don't we?
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- KVRAF
- 3156 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
I use FreeFileSync. It's not a recent problem,or a recurring one, but for example, last year, my pc died after a Windows update! And my new pc nearly had a similar issue after a recent update.
It happens. Dealing with app reinstallation is a major issue I've never had to deal with due to using portable apps only. Not to mention if I installed every app I had it would use a small amount of resources running or not! Portable apps don't do that. My c drive is clean with windows only on it.
It happens. Dealing with app reinstallation is a major issue I've never had to deal with due to using portable apps only. Not to mention if I installed every app I had it would use a small amount of resources running or not! Portable apps don't do that. My c drive is clean with windows only on it.
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- KVRAF
- 6540 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
This discussion should go to the installer thread please:
viewtopic.php?t=583188
viewtopic.php?t=583188
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 4 Jan, 2009
Trying to modulate Divas pan in poly mode with an LFO or a random modulator(also in poly mode) in Bitwig and nothing happens.
Tried the same in Hive and it works perfectly.
Not sure if this is a bug or a feature to be implemented later?
Tried the same in Hive and it works perfectly.
Not sure if this is a bug or a feature to be implemented later?
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
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- KVRist
- 53 posts since 16 Apr, 2017
In Bitwig, Micro-Pitch expression works fine with Diva/VST but I can't make it work with Diva/CLAP (MPE enabled, Diva tuning +/-48).
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- KVRAF
- 26961 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Known buglengro wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:53 pm In Bitwig, Micro-Pitch expression works fine with Diva/VST but I can't make it work with Diva/CLAP (MPE enabled, Diva tuning +/-48).
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 4 Oct, 2016
So I'm experiencing some drastic performance drops with Diva Clap 1.4.5 compared to VST3 and VST2 versions of the plugin - running a single instance of the default patch in Bitwig 4.3, playing a simple loop of 2 notes;
Load avg (VST2/3): ~.65ms
Load avg(CLAP): ~1.45ms
This is with multicore off, but there are similar differences with it enabled.
Not sure if this is actually an issue, or if it's just an unoptimized (debug?) build?
Load avg (VST2/3): ~.65ms
Load avg(CLAP): ~1.45ms
This is with multicore off, but there are similar differences with it enabled.
Not sure if this is actually an issue, or if it's just an unoptimized (debug?) build?