Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Hans25]

Perhaps what we need is a separate thread for people to complain about the absence of a separate thread for preset sellers, and another separate thread for people to complain about the absence of a separate thread for retailers. In fact, what about a sub-forum for complaints about the Bargains chat thread? I feel we're losing sight of the real issue here, which is that everyone is ignoring my petition to rename the Bargains chat thread as the ProGastination thread.

a complaint only thread is a great idea and that would be the only place anyone was allowed to post any complaint.

And what about a complaint of complainers only thread so you the minority can complain about the majority that just want a bargain thread without spam?
If you don't care about it why bother wasting everyone's time? If you look at my initial post about this it has 18 thumbs up so fare. That tells me that there's a large group that don't like to look at the same preset deals cluttering all the good deals. It's not rocket science.

[Teksonik]

I checked this D16 deal at GC, but for customers in USA only unfortunately (no international shipping).

In the past there was a deal at GC that contained a free plugin and people had the same issue that it didn't ship outside the US.

You can get someone in the U.S. who loves you to buy it and just send the serial numbers or scan of the card by email then you can reimburse them by PayPal if necessary.

Might be a bit of work for this deal but it's an option to consider.

[Teksonik]

And what about a complaint of complainers only thread so you the minority can complain about the majority that just want a bargain thread without spam?
If you don't care about it why bother wasting everyone's time? If you look at my initial post about this it has 18 thumbs up so fare. That tells me that there's a large group that don't like to look at the same preset deals cluttering all the good deals. It's not rocket science.

Wow, 18 thumbs up and how many thumbs down would there have been if the option was still available?

18 is hardly a consensus, especially considering 65 new members joined KVR just so far today bringing the total to 477,916.

As for wasting time, you've wasted more time complaining about preset sellers than you would have just scrolling past their adds.

If you feel a particular sound designer is abusing the deals forum then report them but you'd better report that retail seller who posts far more times as well.

There are lots of products I have no use for so where does it stop? I don't need any more compressors so now do I get to ask for a separate forum for compressor deals?

Just scroll past adds you have no interest in...."problem" solved.

[kitekrazy]

Looks like these are version 1 of the plugins. I actually prefer the version 1 GUIs without the wooden sides but I don't think they are resizable.

I doubt the serials will qualify us for version 2 of the plugins but we may get an upgrade path.

Either way for $8.13 or especially $3.22 it's a great deal even for version 1 of the two plugins.

That's why I passed. Plus I should check and see if I have them already.

[Kurdish Mayfield]

And what about a complaint of complainers only thread so you the minority can complain about the majority that just want a bargain thread without spam?
If you don't care about it why bother wasting everyone's time? If you look at my initial post about this it has 18 thumbs up so fare. That tells me that there's a large group that don't like to look at the same preset deals cluttering all the good deals. It's not rocket science.

Wow, 18 thumbs up and how many thumbs down would there have been if the option was still available?

18 is hardly a consensus, especially considering 65 new members joined KVR just so far today bringing the total to 477,916.

As for wasting time, you've wasted more time complaining about preset sellers than you would have just scrolling past their adds.

If you feel a particular sound designer is abusing the deals forum then report them but you'd better report that retail seller who posts far more times as well.

There are lots of products I have no use for so where does it stop? I don't need any more compressors so now do I get to ask for a separate forum for compressor deals?

Just scroll past adds you have no interest in...."problem" solved.

Thank you for posting this...VERY well put

[ATS]

I think by far the best resolution to the presets or whatever, would be to have like 3 or 4 types of products and you just uncheck ones you don't want to see or be notified about. Would take a little work for KVR but should be easy enough. So when someone post they click like "instruments" or "presets" or "fx" and you can only pick one. I doubt it will ever happen though.

[Double Tap]

Perhaps what we need is a separate thread for people to complain about the absence of a separate thread for preset sellers, and another separate thread for people to complain about the absence of a separate thread for retailers. In fact, what about a sub-forum for complaints about the Bargains chat thread? I feel we're losing sight of the real issue here, which is that everyone is ignoring my petition to rename the Bargains chat thread as the ProGastination thread.

a complaint only thread is a great idea and that would be the only place anyone was allowed to post any complaint.

And what about a complaint of complainers only thread so you the minority can complain about the majority that just want a bargain thread without spam?
If you don't care about it why bother wasting everyone's time? If you look at my initial post about this it has 18 thumbs up so fare. That tells me that there's a large group that don't like to look at the same preset deals cluttering all the good deals. It's not rocket science.

Yes but rocket science isn't complicated - it's just blowing things up in a controlled way. Anyway, if you want a serious response rather than more jokes of questionable quality (except the progastination thing, that was quite good though wasn't it? I'm beginning to think it's just me) let's start a thread specifically about whether or not enough people care about the type of bargain that gets posted, because this is a thread for discussing the deals and this is just derailing it.

There's actually also quite a bit of nuance to be discussed - Soundtoys has a promo on at the moment, their Electronic Music Production week, with discounts and free presets. For me, who has Soundtoys 5, the presets are more interesting than the discounts, but the important point is that it's not just Soundtoys - UVI, Arturia, Kilohearts all do soundware and outfits that specialise in soundware also make plugins, so it's blurry. And then there's the Kontakt instrument people. Heavyocity's Damage Drum Kit is just a souped up sample pack, no? Where's the line?

Put it like this: if we ban preset deals - and honestly, I'm not unsympathetic, I really don't care about most preset packs - then that would mean banning Simon Stockhausen's latest thing for UVI Falcon or Chromaphone or whatever he's doing for Novum, but keeping deals for Air, WA Production and SoundSpot. I'm sure they're decent plugins and I've got nothing against people posting deals for them, but they have zero interest for me, so to me they're clutter. But I just scroll past.

Honestly, I'm not even sure which posts you're talking about, because I've just scrolled through the last four pages of the no chat thread and I can't see any preset only posts except from a couple from Spektralisk, so I don't even see that it would make any real difference to the volume of posts.

[GaryG]

I'm sure on a deal like this before, someone phoned the store and they were happy to rip the case open and read them the serial.

[imrae]

If you look at my initial post about this it has 18 thumbs up so fare. That tells me that there's a large group that don't like to look at the same preset deals cluttering all the good deals. It's not rocket science.

Wow, 18 thumbs up and how many thumbs down would there have been if the option was still available?

If I recall correctly, the last time this topic came up the option was available and the thumbs were firmly in favour of doing something about the preset spammers. Indeed, people were asking in this thread why some of the No Chat posts were getting double-digit thumbs down.

You can appeal to the vast number of sign-ups that don't actively use the message board, but I don't see any evidence they like the current situation. For all you know they don't read the thread at all.

[imrae]

Put it like this: if we ban preset deals - and honestly, I'm not unsympathetic, I really don't care about most preset packs - then that would mean banning Simon Stockhausen's latest thing for UVI Falcon or Chromaphone or whatever he's doing for Novum, but keeping deals for Air, WA Production and SoundSpot. I'm sure they're decent plugins and I've got nothing against people posting deals for them, but they have zero interest for me, so to me they're clutter. But I just scroll past.

This is fair. I'd love to see any deals on Plugmon's stuff. The real issue is a substantial volume of "non-Bargain" offerings (i.e. low-quality or small discount), which is unfortunately a subjective criterion.

[Teksonik]

If I recall correctly, the last time this topic came up the option was available and the thumbs were firmly in favour of doing something about the preset spammers.

What 18 to 10? People not in favor are less likely to down thumb than the handful of zealots who have made it their mission to remove a certain type of product from the deals thread are to up thumb.

The point is by the rules of the forum they aren't "spammers" any more than JRR Shop is when Uncle E posts 14 times in three pages.

Just because you may not have any need for presets doesn't mean no one does.

Again where does it stop? I don't need any more compressors so can I ask for any posts about compressors be moved to their own thread and so on and so on?

You can appeal to the vast number of sign-ups that don't actively use the message board, but I don't see any evidence they like the current situation. For all you know they don't read the thread at all.

And you don't see any evidence that thy don't like the current situation. For all you know the only thread they read is the bargains thread.

Look it really comes down to a handful of people throwing a hissy fit because they're not getting their own way. In the end it takes mere seconds to scroll past any post that contains a product you're not interested in....it really is much ado about nothing. Again more time is spent complaining about the posts than just scrolling past them would take.

Just look at the first post in this thread and you'll see I don't have a problem with creating a new sticky thread when it makes sense but in this case all you're trying to accomplish is making Sound Designers second class advertisers simply out of the "oooooh I only use my own patches" snobbery.

[Hans25]

And what about a complaint of complainers only thread so you the minority can complain about the majority that just want a bargain thread without spam?
If you don't care about it why bother wasting everyone's time? If you look at my initial post about this it has 18 thumbs up so fare. That tells me that there's a large group that don't like to look at the same preset deals cluttering all the good deals. It's not rocket science.

Wow, 18 thumbs up and how many thumbs down would there have been if the option was still available?

18 is hardly a consensus, especially considering 65 new members joined KVR just so far today bringing the total to 477,916.

As for wasting time, you've wasted more time complaining about preset sellers than you would have just scrolling past their adds.

If you feel a particular sound designer is abusing the deals forum then report them but you'd better report that retail seller who posts far more times as well.

There are lots of products I have no use for so where does it stop? I don't need any more compressors so now do I get to ask for a separate forum for compressor deals?

Just scroll past adds you have no interest in...."problem" solved.

Yes and there are almost 8 billion people in the world and most of them didn't sign up at kvr to give me thumbs up. That's only 18/8.000.000.000 = 0,0000000225 pct. So this can't be an issue or what? Arguing this way is pseudo arguing.

How often do you see that many thumbs up from a post in the discussion thread unless someone post or refer a good bargain? That number is more than enough to justify my point.
Another pseudo argument - that if I use time to point out a problem I could have used the time to scroll past the preset packs. Have you ever heard of using time as an investment to gain a benefit in the long run? If society can build a bridge in 1 year to gain 3 hours in transport time between two islands would you also complain and tell them that you could sail between those islands 365x24 /3.5 = 2502 times so why bother to build a bridge.

It doesn't stop with compressors. If there was 10 sellers always posting a sale of their one compressor where you could save the same $1 that would be a big problem too. The case here is that there are a lot of preset sellers putting the same presets on sale cluttering the thread and that's the problem. Not compressors - if it becomes a problem it should be dealt with the same way.

And you are right there are no "right" or "wrong". In principle you are entitled to love preset bargains but if the majority find it to be a problem it should be changed. In society there should always be space for minorities but that's not the same as to let the minority tyrannize the majority.

In principle I agree that some resellers each post the same bargains because they are in competition but at least the offers themselves has some kind of interest for the majority. Often they are "true" bargains (for the majority at least). And sometimes some of the give more discounts than the others. Then you can compare and chose the cheapest ones. I bet that most people here think that's a benefit but posting the same 3 preset packages over and over again saving people $1 I bet the majority find
is spam.

But we should make a poll about it (again). That would clear the doubt.

[Hans25]

Yes but rocket science isn't complicated - it's just blowing things up in a controlled way.

Good one. I hope you are not in the engineering businesses

Put it like this: if we ban preset deals - and honestly, I'm not unsympathetic, I really don't care about most preset packs - then that would mean banning Simon Stockhausen's latest thing for UVI Falcon or Chromaphone or whatever he's doing for Novum, but keeping deals for Air, WA Production and SoundSpot. I'm sure they're decent plugins and I've got nothing against people posting deals for them, but they have zero interest for me, so to me they're clutter. But I just scroll past.

Fine make a separate chat thread for preset packs and make Simon Stockhausen shine there.

Honestly, I'm not even sure which posts you're talking about, because I've just scrolled through the last four pages of the no chat thread and I can't see any preset only posts except from a couple from Spektralisk, so I don't even see that it would make any real difference to the volume of posts.

Well honestly then scroll back a bit more to get a good average. And those Spektralisk preset packs are more than enough already.

[Blaster]

But we should make a poll about it (again). That would clear the doubt.

No it won't. People who don't care, probably don't vote and most people will not see this vote or will be aware of it in time. Only ones who go out of their way will probably see the post. And what's the next poll? To merge them again because some people don't want to go through 2 threads? To move compressors to their own thread?

I also see the same people post a lot in this thread. Maybe we should start a poll to move them to their own discussion thread?

I'm perfectly fine to treat all advertisers the same, this would be most fair to everyone.

[Hans25]

Look it really comes down to a handful of people throwing a hissy fit because they're not getting their own way.

Yes I agree. But I don't think we agree on who is in that group .