Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Hans25]

But we should make a poll about it (again). That would clear the doubt.

No it won't. People who don't care, probably don't vote and most people will not see this vote or will be aware of it in time. Only ones who go out of their way will probably see the post. And what's the next poll? To merge them again because some people don't want to go through 2 threads? To move compressors to their own thread?

I also see the same people post a lot in this thread. Maybe we should start a poll to move them to their own discussion thread?

I'm perfectly fine to treat all advertisers the same, this would be most fair to everyone.

Yes fine congratulations. You are "perfectly fine". But just because there's a risk that you don't get your will that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a poll. If people don't care then the best thing to do is not to participate in the poll. That's not a bad thing. If they don't see the poll in time then they might not use the bargain thread as much and then it might not be as important to them.

I also see the same people post a lot in this thread. Maybe we should start a poll to move them to their own discussion thread?

But then you have a very short sight because it's very very rare that I discuss in this thread.

[Teksonik]

Have you ever heard of using time as an investment to gain a benefit in the long run?

Have you ever heard of wasting more time that you could possibly save? You fail to understand that not everybody sees a problem there so there is no "benefit" for them to gain.

How much time did you spend making that post? How long would it take to scroll past a post that you have no interest in?

At any rate there have been polls in the past and look....here we are. Maybe you should just take the hint and accept that sound designers have the same right to post as a retail plugin seller.

Look it really comes down to a handful of people throwing a hissy fit because they're not getting their own way.

Yes I agree. But I don't think we agree on who is in that group .

Oh it's crystal clear who is throwing a hissy fit in this thread.

I don't really care one way or the other since I don't consider scrolling past a bargain post I have no interest in to be physically or mentally taxing.

I'm just trying to bring the voice of reason to the subject. It's really not a big deal if sound designers post an ad or two. Like I said if you feel someone is abusing the bargain thread then report them and let the Mods and Ben determine if there is any problem.

At the time of this post the last two pages of the bargains thread contains 16 posts from retail sellers including 6 from one alone.

During that time there have been 2 posts from the sound designer who is probably the one that is annoying you and both were perfectly acceptable posts with one offering free samples, wavetables, and presets and the other post for a 50% off deal.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. It's just not that big of a deal.

[aMUSEd]

I'm just trying to bring the voice of reason to the subject. It's really not a big deal if sound designers post an ad or two. Like I said if you feel someone is abusing the bargain thread then report them and let the Mods and Ben determine if there is any problem.

Exactly - I can think of a few sellers who are a bit over the top in terms of posts, but this isn't a presets vs plugins thing, rather it's a dumb lack of self awareness that if you piss buyers off they are less likely to buy your stuff. To anyone doing that I suggest some reflection, if you are annoying people this much how can that possibly equate to more sales?

[Teksonik]

I'm just trying to bring the voice of reason to the subject. It's really not a big deal if sound designers post an ad or two. Like I said if you feel someone is abusing the bargain thread then report them and let the Mods and Ben determine if there is any problem.

Exactly - I can think of a few sellers who are a bit over the top in terms of posts, but this isn't a presets vs plugins thing, rather it's a dumb lack of self awareness that if you piss buyers off they are less likely to buy your stuff. To anyone doing that I suggest some reflection, if you are annoying people this much how can that possibly equate to more sales?

So let's call out someone who is "pissing off" buyers. Is there someone specific that you would name?

To be honest since I do most of my business with Plugin Boutique due in part to the rewards program and free plugins with purchase, I find Uncle E's highly frequent and often overly long JRR Shop posts to be somewhat over the top.

But even then it doesn't piss me off. I simply glance over them and scroll on.

[Hans25]

Have you ever heard of wasting more time that you could possibly save? You fail to understand that not everybody sees a problem there so there is no "benefit" for them to gain.

Well as long as you don't understand the difference between majority and minority it must be very hard to understand the benefit.

At any rate there have been polls in the past and look....here we are. Maybe you should just take the hint and accept that sound designers have the same right to post as a retail plugin seller.

Ahh here we are. We are here even though a poll two years ago showed that presets should have a seperate thread - that actually happened but suddenly someone removed it.
If Sound designers didn't spam the bargain thread with the same sales over and over all the time then it wouldnt be a problem. Its not because they are sound designers. Its because of their behavior. And luckily most sound designers dont post here.

But if you want to take your equality argument further then why not let every second hand seller post their sales in the bargains thread instead of having separate threads below? That would be real equality.

Oh it's crystal clear who is throwing a hissy fit in this thread.

Of course it is. For you .

At the time of this post the last two pages of the bargains thread contains 16 posts from retail sellers including 6 from one alone.

Yes and in two posts back from here I explained the difference between the resellers and the preset posts and why they are totally different as I see it. And furthermore I havent said that the resellers shouldnt be further regulated. But at least they give some value to the majority.

[Double Tap]

Well honestly then scroll back a bit more to get a good average. And those Spektralisk preset packs are more than enough already.

I’ve looked already. You want things to change - it’s incumbent on you to come up with even a shred of evidence there’s a real problem, and that what you’re proposing would make the slightest difference.

[JerGoertz]

Many people have complained about preset vendors many times in the past, and for whatever reason mods don't care to do anything about it. I find it annoying too, but at this point to complain is probably just pissing in the wind.

[Hans25]

Well honestly then scroll back a bit more to get a good average. And those Spektralisk preset packs are more than enough already.

I’ve looked already. You want things to change - it’s incumbent on you to come up with even a shred of evidence there’s a real problem, and that what you’re proposing would make the slightest difference.

So moving the presets will not get the preset moved?

[Hans25]

Many people have complained about preset vendors many times in the past, and for whatever reason mods don't care to do anything about it. I find it annoying too, but at this point to complain is probably just pissing in the wind.

Well I probably agree on that.

[Double Tap]

Well honestly then scroll back a bit more to get a good average. And those Spektralisk preset packs are more than enough already.

I’ve looked already. You want things to change - it’s incumbent on you to come up with even a shred of evidence there’s a real problem, and that what you’re proposing would make the slightest difference.

So moving the presets will not get the preset moved?

What presets? There’s almost none.

[Hans25]

Well honestly then scroll back a bit more to get a good average. And those Spektralisk preset packs are more than enough already.

I’ve looked already. You want things to change - it’s incumbent on you to come up with even a shred of evidence there’s a real problem, and that what you’re proposing would make the slightest difference.

So moving the presets will not get the preset moved?

What presets? There’s almost none.

Well Spektralisk is more than nothing. Then there's D-Fusion that is some kind of hybrid between a reseller and a sample pack/preset seller. They define themselves (from website) as:

"D- Fused Sounds is an Italian sound design label made by a group of music passionates, djs, sound designers and engeneers that work together with fun to release quality samples, synth presets and MIDI files for producers who require instant usable and inspiring material to add in their compositions. "

A lot of their material here is presets, midi-files or sample packs or else they have begun to sell a small amount of plugins they advertise. In general it's the amount and frequency of posts thats problem in my opinion.

But I will give you and Teksonik that there is too much from the same resellers also.

Actually the issue could be expanded to sellers that sell their own limited stuff and advertise the same stuff too often having the same sales again and again.

[Double Tap]

Sounds pretty thin to me. One guy who does presets and someone else who sells, er, plugins. Is that it? What proportion of the posts in the No chat thread are just presets or samples, without any plugins? 50%? 1%? Let’s make it easy and just look at the last seven days.

[Hans25]

Sounds pretty thin to me. One guy who does presets and someone else who sells, er, plugins. Is that it? What proportion of the posts in the No chat thread are just presets or samples, without any plugins? 50%? 1%? Let’s make it easy and just look at the last seven days.

Well you were the one that claimed that it was the same persons always discussion in this thread but I havent discussed anything in years besides this. Sounds pretty thin to me.

[Double Tap]

Sounds pretty thin to me. One guy who does presets and someone else who sells, er, plugins. Is that it? What proportion of the posts in the No chat thread are just presets or samples, without any plugins? 50%? 1%? Let’s make it easy and just look at the last seven days.

Well you were the one that claimed that it was the same persons always discussion in this thread but I havent discussed anything in years besides this. Sounds pretty thin to me.

What are you talking about?

[Hans25]

What are you talking about?

Well maybe it wasnt your claim. I cant find the quote right now. Anyway I let's try to be constructive. I took the next example from the top. D-fusion is a very good example but because I mentioned the word "plugin" you just take that out of the context and now claim there isnt any issue because he also sells plugins. Then re-read my post.
Im not obligated to make an empirical research from every post here to argue even though you would probably not be satisfied even if it was a scientific research team that found there was an issue.