Kotelnikov plugin basic

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meridahu
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Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:37 am

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This might seem like such a novice question and it is. I'm starting on using compressors. Did some googling and i found this link on Kotelnikov .

Followed the link below,
https://docs.tokyodawn.net/installing-a ... r-plugins/ (https://docs.tokyodawn.net/installing-and-registering-your-tdr-plugins/)

and i installed the plugins as shown in the attached image.

i don't know how to launch the plugins. How do I "run/launch" the compressor? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.

 
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Spitfire31
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3195 posts since 18 May, 2003 from Sweden

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:09 am

You open and run it on a track in your DAW or similar audio host program.
If it were easy, anybody could do it!

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ATS
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7443 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:21 am

Here is a list of free DAWs (Digital Audio Workstation) https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2015/1 ... -software/

(make sure the one you choose can load plugins)
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Vortifex
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2814 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:11 am

What DAW are you using? Yours should have a process whereby it scans for new plugins and you can then select it from the list of installed plugins within your DAW.

CinningBao
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2223 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:41 am

In your position, I wouldn't buy anything apart from a DAW. That's where you'll spend most of your time.

Then, get familiar with the DAW plugin effects; they all have a basic compliment of the tools we all use (EQs, compressors, delays and reverbs) and only when you feel you have reached the limit of your stock plugins should you start looking around to replace (or think of it like this "give you more options") them.

Look at how other experienced users understand and use compressors, and the different ways educational sources describe them. Here are some good starting points.

https://www.musicianonamission.com/how- ... -top-tips/
https://www.blackghostaudio.com/blog/th ... ompression
https://blog.landr.com/how-to-use-a-compressor/

You won't understand everything there is to know about compressors straight away - on average, most folks take about 10 years to actually fully understand and make _good_ use of the features. If you need to use visual aids to help you see what's going on, that's great, but eventually, in order to make good decisions, you'll want to only use your ears.

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andymcbain
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539 posts since 10 Jan, 2017

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:51 am

I'd agree with the above - if you're just starting out (and apologies if making assumptions there) - just get to know the stock compressor in your DAW. Learn to use attack and release times properly. Kotelnikov likely has a bunch of stuff you don't really need at this point. Good luck!

BazJacuzzi
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37 posts since 20 May, 2020

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:27 am

on average, most folks take about 10 years to actually fully understand and make _good_ use of the features.
Probably some people never get there at all, but if you're motivated, and take the time to actually understand what a compressor does, you'll find it's not very complicated at all.

10 years? Citation please.

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thecontrolcentre
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33125 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:38 am

meridahu wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:37 am i installed the plugins as shown in the attached image.

i don't know how to launch the plugins. How do I "run/launch" the compressor? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.
Where exactly did you install the plugins?
Have you used plugins before?
What DAW are you using (if any)?

More info please ...

CinningBao
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2223 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:08 am

BazJacuzzi wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:27 am
on average, most folks take about 10 years to actually fully understand and make _good_ use of the features.
Probably some people never get there at all, but if you're motivated, and take the time to actually understand what a compressor does, you'll find it's not very complicated at all.

10 years? Citation please.
No need for citation. In all the years I've been doing music, and all the people I've spoken about their development, very few people understand how to listen to things like dynamics and spectral energy within a year or two. You can go to a production school for 2 years and have lectures, group sessions, studio time.. all of that, and still compression is a mystery to them.

So, like you say, some people never get there, a few people get it relatively quickly, but the majority take on average a decade (approx 4 hours a working day (260 days a year) is about 1000 thousand hours, do that for 10 years and you should have an idea of what you're doing)

psynical
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633 posts since 16 Jan, 2019 from deep inside

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:02 pm

you're starting on using compressors for what?

fese
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2008 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME

Post Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:22 pm

kotelnikov might just be one of the worse options if you are just starting out with compressors. Sure, it is not as complicated as say DC8C or Presswerk or Compassion, but not exactly a beginner comp. Heck, it is mostly too complicated for me (it’s coz Im stoopid…). Luckily it is hard to make it sound really bad :lol:

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legendCNCD
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1363 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc

Post Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:36 am

fese wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:22 pm kotelnikov might just be one of the worse options if you are just starting out with compressors. Sure, it is not as complicated as say DC8C or Presswerk or Compassion, but not exactly a beginner comp. Heck, it is mostly too complicated for me (it’s coz Im stoopid…). Luckily it is hard to make it sound really bad :lol:
True as it is very transparent and hard to make sound bad.. :party: BUT:

https://hermetechmastering.com/compressors.html you can use this "formula" to know what the compressor does :)
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Andreya_Autumn
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137 posts since 21 Feb, 2022

Post Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:09 am

That Hermetech advice is good!

Obviously you'll do things differently when compressing individual tracks. That's advice for a Mastering scenario. But that's a good starting point to learn.

And I'll say I agree with what was written above. It didn't take long to learn the basics of compression, but what to listen for and how to use it well... that's still a learning process 15+ years in. Life is for learning. :)

Oh, and to the OP: I also agree with what someone said, do not be tricked into spending money on a compressor other than the one that comes with your DAW. You will not need it for a good while. The DAW stock compressor will get you through the first years of this. Then get the *phenomenal* free compressors that are out there, like indeed the Tokyo Dawn ones, or Klanghelm. Eventually you'll know what is worth spending money on *for you* and why. Until you know that, don't fall for any marketing.

vitocorleone123
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1234 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW

Post Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:45 pm

Kotelnikov GE has one of the best YT videos ever for a plugin. It's a shame this guy only ever made 3 videos or something.

https://youtu.be/1Tx6SRCwWug

meridahu
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3 posts since 17 Aug, 2022

Post Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:33 pm

meridahu wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:28 pm
meridahu wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:27 pm
CinningBao wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:08 am
BazJacuzzi wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:27 am
on average, most folks take about 10 years to actually fully understand and make _good_ use of the features.
Probably some people never get there at all, but if you're motivated, and take the time to actually understand what a compressor does, you'll find it's not very complicated at all.

10 years? Citation please.
No need for citation. In all the years I've been doing music, and all the people I've spoken about their development, very few people understand how to listen to things like dynamics and spectral energy within a year or two. You can go to a production school for 2 years and have lectures, group sessions, studio time.. all of that, and still compression is a mystery to them.

So, like you say, some people never get there, a few people get it relatively quickly, but the majority take on average a decade (approx 4 hours a working day (260 days a year) is about 1000 thousand hours, do that for 10 years and you should have an idea of what you're doing)
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