Loomer Architect: A modular MIDI toolkit

[Sevantos]

I see that Architect is not going in direction to add modulation of VST etc, but what is sad me most, that there is almost no interest in that - so even tough it would be added you sunk.
This is also reason why everything I´ ve ever heard from architect sounded like crap - because sound was not modulated as it should be.

I am pissed, there should also be warning not buying this unless you are familiar with programing, because most of the stuff in Architect are not even mentioned in manual. 3 years passed and nothing changed.


Selling Architect - 100 usd. (or exchange for bitwig upgrade - I would payed up difference).

[colin@loomer]

What do you mean, VST (etc) plug-in parameter modulation is already supported in the current release, and the next release expands it pretty significantly too, in that you can right-click on any VST parameter and add a modulator directly to it.

[gentleclockdivider]

I see that Architect is not going in direction to add modulation of VST etc, but what is sad me most, that there is almost no interest in that - so even tough it would be added you sunk.
This is also reason why everything I´ ve ever heard from architect sounded like crap - because sound was not modulated as it should be.

I am pissed, there should also be warning not buying this unless you are familiar with programing, because most of the stuff in Architect are not even mentioned in manual. 3 years passed and nothing changed.


Selling Architect - 100 usd. (or exchange for bitwig upgrade - I would payed up difference).

The only thing that sounds like crap is your opinion which is frankly based on --nothing-- !.
At least have the decency to Inform yourself a bit better before rambling like an angry baby .
I can modulate everything I want in architect ,be it hardware over midi cc or sysex , vst instruments also over midi cc or direct vst automation parameters , but you need a few braincells to figure it out .
Architect rules and is one of the finest pieces of software released in thepast decade ,
BUt It is obviously NOT for you , so yeah stay pissed

[Sevantos]

„What u mean, it was added in recent version.“
Colllin, I can ask why u did not mention it in changelog (as others comps do), not to mention in manual? (I could not know, because I was experimenting with Grid in using derivates and calculus, waiting whether Architect ever catch up with BW - having modulation out in a first place). But eventough it is awesome, what is the modulation out for, if there is no oscilloscope??? There could be I guess function grapher.
.., if there is not even 21 y old envelope that does not cut anyway..
In 3 years u write only one (almost useless) paragraph in manual. What a audacity.))
U told me I should wait that microtuning in Arch should be peace of cake – 2 y passed and u did not said a word..

Aks TomPlese why he also quit using Architect and using now Grid and why he said: Trial and error is a slow way to advance, but it's all i have.
(I can bring here at least 5 other similar comments saying, that lack of documentation is why they quit with Arch.)
There is no Presets Library, no one even share presets, ideas, no one is doing tuts here like in Bitwig. It looks like no one even doing typical electronic music here, like Arch is strictly for romplers, like idea that once you got midi notes, song is done. In BW group MIDI notes are not even considered as start – because u often do just one bar long midi and than music is done by modulation

Sparky, I ve sad crap based of what I listen:
https://soundcloud.com/nilhartman/arch2 ... al_sharing https://soundcloud.com/user-332831953/e ... al_sharing
https://soundcloud.com/albertoz/praelud ... al_sharing
My coment was: Awesome! Thnx to bring this out....! Checking Architect patch now - thnx also 4 patch and info share! Integral equations of Thue-Morse sequence looks really stunning.
- but I admired just how it was created, and did not say it sounds like crap (which of course does)), because I hell of a respect this guy, and second, I like a lot of his other things, like f. e. this one: https://soundcloud.com/albertoz/echoes- ... al_sharing

I think it is crystal clear, that this were just tests, but can you please prove me wrong and show songs made in Architect that rulez?
What is also strange that u rarely help here anyone, I was asking u something about your patch and you ignore, while u r insulting everyone who rightly criticize were Architect lacking..

[gentleclockdivider]

„What u mean, it was added in recent version.“
Colllin, I can ask why u did not mention it in changelog (as others comps do), not to mention in manual?
But eventough it is awesome, what is the modulation out for, if there is no oscilloscope???
.., if there is not even 21 y old envelope that does not cut anyway..
In 3 years u write only one (almost useless) paragraph in manual. What a audacity.))
U told me I should wait that microtuning in Arch should be peace of cake – 2 y passed and u did not said a word..

Aks TomPlese why he also quit using Architect and using now Grid and why he said: Trial and error is a slow way to advance, but it's all i have.
(I can bring here at least 5 other similar comments saying, that lack of documentation is why they quit with Arch.)
There is no Presets Library, no one even share presets, ideas, no one is doing tuts here like in Bitwig. It looks like no one even doing typical electronic music here, like Arch is strictly for romplers, like idea that once you got midi notes, song is done. In BW group MIDI notes are not even considered as start – because u often do just one bar long midi and than music is done by modulation

Sparky, I ve sad crap based of what I listen:
https://soundcloud.com/nilhartman/arch2 ... al_sharing https://soundcloud.com/user-332831953/e ... al_sharing
https://soundcloud.com/albertoz/praelud ... al_sharing
My coment was: Awesome! Thnx to bring this out....! Checking Architect patch now - thnx also 4 patch and info share! Integral equations of Thue-Morse sequence looks really stunning.
- but I admired just how it was created, and did not say it sounds like crap (which of course does)), because I hell of a respect this guy, and second, I like a lot of his other things, like f. e. this one: https://soundcloud.com/albertoz/echoes- ... al_sharing

I think it is crystal clear, that this were just tests, but can you please prove me wrong and show songs made in Architect that rulez?
What is also strange that u rarely help here anyone, I was asking u something about your patch and you ignore, while u r insulting everyone who rightly criticize were Architect lacking..

What is it lately with all these new posters that demand things that are already there , are you too lazy-stupid to figure it out , do you need to be spoonfed all the time ?
Colin helps people all the time , what the hell is wrong with you ?
Yes ,architect is theoratically still in beta stage but Colin is working hard to make the next release easier to grasp with a bunch of macros , he also has a personal life besides being an awesome developer .
Need linkz to tracks that Rulez , you moron
Accusing colin of being insulting is just out of line , if there's anyone that is insulting it's you .
Best thing to do for Colin is just to ignore people like you ,.

[Sevantos]

What is it lately with all these new posters that demand things that are already there , are you too lazy-stupid to figure it out , do you need to be spoonfed all the time ?
Colin helps people all the time , what the hell is wrong with you ?
Yes ,architect is theoratically still in beta stage but Colin is working hard to make the next release easier to grasp with a bunch of macros , he also has a personal life besides being an awesome developer .
Need linkz to tracks that Rulez , you moron
Accusing colin of being insulting is just out of line , if there's anyone that is insulting it's you .
Best thing to do for Colin is just to ignore people like you ,.

before rambling like an angry baby
you need a few braincells
you too lazy-stupid
you moron


Are NOT you trying to offense me?

I ve been learning derivates and now learning calculus and lua scripting – so sorry that I did not touch Architect (especially when I have no use for it now, since anything can be done in Grid faster and better and people in Bitwig share ideas and tuts instead yelling at each other)). You think that I am happy about investing 100 pounds maybe in vain?

When I was talking about modulation, I meant some rough based on FTT, spherical harmonics, trigonometry matrices, meshing, calculus …. I wont be starting these experiments in environment, were people not sharing any ideas. This mean Collin and also people like you.
The fact that modulation can be routed out solves nothing when there is no doc, tuts, forum where people share...
I would also suggest new publishing device policy - if you present here patch, leave (400 words max)) short quick-start file about how it works and leave also some explanation to newbees - nice example is golden Azzin (I did it to, btw) - not to mention not be prudent (like you) when somebody ask one q about your patch and treating him like dumb - everybody has to start sometimes, and some of us has other hobbies and job..
I understand that if your are programmer and have 4x average salary, you are not expected to ask, but I hope, that one day there will be more musicians than programmer...

You did not even reply something I ve asked u about your patch and now u r barking based on nothing..


My big apology I did not see modulation out ... but I was waiting 3 y using meanwhile Grid..

[colin@loomer]

By next release, I mean forthcoming rather than historic. I do believe this version will likely do what you want: modulations have become a lot easier, essentially removing the "programming" element for those who just want to place some devices and wire them. For example, you can right-click on (nearly) anything and just add a modulator, such as an LFO or envelope, and Architect will automatically connect them up for you (see screenshot) At any time, you can dive in a little deeper if you want more control, but I'm sure this makes the learning curve a lot more horizontal than the earlier releases, as will complete module documentation and factory examples.



As an aside, though, I would say to everyone that we all have bad days, and tone or intent can easily be lost people compress their thoughts into forum posts. If you're posting here, you probably want the same thing as everyone else - for Architect to be your go-to composition tool - and we'll get their more easily if we do so harmoniously rather than accimoniously!

[thelizard]

Wow! That screenshot is extremely exciting.

[Kalamata Kid]

The module on the bottom has an input node but oddly is named Midi Output | Track 1.
Perhaps should be Midi | Track 1?

[mcbpete]

The module on the bottom has an input node but oddly is named Midi Output | Track 1.
Perhaps should be Midi | Track 1?

Nah all the above modules are feeding into the Midi Output

[digitallysane]

I do hope the current way of working is kept, with the node graph separated from the various editors like sequencers etc.
The screenshot looks nice as a proof of concept but I can't imagine a medium complexity graph being readable and useable in that format.

[colin@loomer]

Yes, the original way of working - complete separation of nodes and UI elements - is still there. It's not an either/or proposition: generally, I tend to open up bits on the graph that I'm working on, and then fold them closed when I move onto something else. This saves a lot of moving between either the graph and properties or graph and panel view. (Additionally, there is a third way of working too: you can click on a button next to a closed node and pop-up a temporary modal window containing the UI. Again, very handy for making quicks tweaks.)

[digitallysane]

Yes, the original way of working - complete separation of nodes and UI elements - is still there. It's not an either/or proposition: generally, I tend to open up bits on the graph that I'm working on, and then fold them closed when I move onto something else. This saves a lot of moving between either the graph and properties or graph and panel view. (Additionally, there is a third way of working too: you can click on a button next to a closed node and pop-up a temporary modal window containing the UI. Again, very handy for making quicks tweaks.)

Sounds great.
Agree, in-place editing is great as an option.

As I said in some previous posts, I do think it's best for beta software to iterate and be subjected to feedback from users. The sooner we see something, the better (again, IMO).

[simmo75]

So…..
Does it now have presets and is out of beta?

[masterhiggins]

I need Aspect....