KVR Audio

_morton_ · Post by **_morton_** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:56 pm

T-CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:02 pm
_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:43 pm
rezoneight wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:57 pm I happen to think Pigments UI is great because you DO get a ton of feedback instantly on what's happening.
You get that on any synth, with your ears.
No, you don't get visual feedback with your ears.

I don't listen with my eyes

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:24 pm

I don't see with my ears.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:31 pm

chk071 wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:24 pm I don't see with my ears.

try lsd or mushrooms

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:38 pm

_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:56 pm I don't listen with my eyes

You do everything with your ears then... turning knobs with your ears, playing keys with your ears, ... seems a bit unpractical to me, but to each their own.
(I tried to type this post with my ears but gave up

)

_morton_ · Post by **_morton_** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:47 pm

T-CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:38 pm
_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:56 pm I don't listen with my eyes
You do everything with your ears then...

Did I say that?

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:48 pm

_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:47 pm Did I say that?

With your ears?

_morton_ · Post by **_morton_** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:58 pm

Joe Orton?

Biome_Digital · Post by **Biome_Digital** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:24 pm

Both amazing synths I use all the time. Pigments has an excellent granular engine. Dune 3 has a great sequencer that accepts midi files! Dune has a cool shimmer reverb. Pigments has the excellent additive engine too. If they both got together and had a love child, it would be the ultimate synth!!

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 12:21 am

Azbest wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:48 pmOr you could go with Massive X and have both.

Interestingly, there is nothing at all about MassiveX that has motivated me to so much as look at it's web page or listen to any sound demos. I look at the GUI and think "this looks like a hundred times more synth than I need" and that's that.

_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:43 pmYou get that on any synth, with your ears.

Until you don't. Where it comes in handy is when you load a preset and you want to gete rid of that annoying vibrato on one of the oscillators. WIth a synth like Pigments, it's easy to see which oscillaotr and which mod source. WIth many other synths, it comes down to trial and error - look at Osc 1 - no, not there. Try Osc 2 - OK it's this one. Now to work out which of the four available LFO is doing it... You get the idea.

rezoneight wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:55 pmI mean yeah I can tweak EQ too using knobs and my ears. Or I can dial it in specifically in FabFilter Pro-Q since I can *see* exactly what is going on in addition to hearing it.

What's the advantage of that? I see none unless you can also see what's going on in the rest of your mix. That's why your ears do a better job.

I can tell you what I'd choose because I prefer using both senses. You're free to just keep doing it the other way.

All I prefer is getting the best result and, in my long experience, my ears do the best job most of the time. You just have to trust them.

_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:52 pmThat's the joy of a mod matrix, it's basically a list of everything that's going on
Very convenient

Maybe if you like working with spreadsheets but I like to at least pretend I'm an artist, not an accountant.

_morton_ · Post by **_morton_** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:20 am

BONES wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 12:21 am

_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:43 pmYou get that on any synth, with your ears.
Until you don't. Where it comes in handy is when you load a preset and you want to gete rid of that annoying vibrato on one of the oscillators.

Again, the beauty of a MM, its all there in black and white (or whatever daft colour the dev chose)

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:52 am

Except it's not. All you see is source, destination and amount. OTOH, a visual device can show you that, whilst also showing you exactly how the modulation is affecting the source. e.g. Say you have two different LFO modulating the same parameter - how does the MM show you which one is doing the fast modulation and which is doing the slower modulation? A MM forces you to move all around the GUI, whereas I prefer to see all the settings for a specific module in one place. KHs One is really clever, in that it does both by aligning the modulation sections of the different parts of the synth across the bottom of the GUI, forming a MM of sorts. KHs One is a very under-rated synth.

_morton_ · Post by **_morton_** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:58 am

BONES wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:52 am Except it's not. All you see is source, destination and amount. OTOH, a visual device can show you that, whilst also showing you exactly how the modulation is affecting the source. e.g. Say you have two different LFO modulating the same parameter - how does the MM show you which one is doing the fast modulation and which is doing the slower modulation? A MM forces you to move all around the GUI, whereas I prefer to see all the settings for a specific module in one place.

Does it show you if the speed is free or sync, what the shape is, how much delay there is, how much fade in etc etc

No.

Dencheg · Post by **Dencheg** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:59 am

pdxindy wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:15 pm Gui wise, Vital is far superior. Dune's hardware paradigm adds a lot of friction and has lots of wasted space. For example, it would be easy to create a GUI where all 3 Osc's were visible at once.

To me, Dune's GUI specifics are freckles, not warts, and it was much easier to get to like it's GUI than to like other synth's sound.
That's what the fuss is about after all

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:00 am

_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:56 pm
T-CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:02 pm
_morton_ wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:43 pm
rezoneight wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:57 pm I happen to think Pigments UI is great because you DO get a ton of feedback instantly on what's happening.
You get that on any synth, with your ears.
No, you don't get visual feedback with your ears.
I don't listen with my eyes

I do, all the time

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:09 am

_morton_ wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:58 amDoes it show you if the speed is free or sync, what the shape is, how much delay there is, how much fade in etc etc

No but your ears tell you all that, what you're looking for is things you can't tell just by listening. e.g. You can hear whether or not an LFO is in sync or free-running but your ears can't tell you if it's LFO 1, LFO 2, LFO 3 or LFO 4. But the modulation animations in HY-Poly or Pigments will let you see which one it is, quickly and easily.

Dencheg wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:59 amTo me, Dune's GUI specifics are freckles, not warts, and it was much easier to get to like it's GUI than to like other synth's sound.
That's what the fuss is about after all

Yeah, nah. It's more like eczema and I've found other synths I like the sound of as much as DUNE. Not across the board like DUNE, except maybe ANA-2, but for specific things.

Pigments 3.5 vs Dune 3.5