Non-emulation VA synth recommendations.

[plexuss]

Voltage Modular and Softube Modular (if we are still on topic)

[zzz00m]

Voltage Modular and Softube Modular (if we are still on topic)

Voltage Modular is a deep (and enjoyable) rabbit hole, for sure!

[_morton_]

Two users had a (verry) hard time too undertsand what I meant .

If one of those was me, then yes, I did have a hard time understanding. Sorry about that. The last pic helped (but not as to the way you do it in D1)

I didnt realise it was offensive to not know something here. I assumed it was OK to ask if you didn't know. That's how you learn in life.

I won't trouble you again.

tot ziens

[_leras]

When it comes to VA, there's a lot of grey area with oscs. I mean I think it's not that weird to call an oscar a VA since it has digital waveforms, and surely the imposcar is, being a copy of the oscar. And then all those digital synths like viruses, despite having wavetable capability, we've generally called VA. I think it's generally that these emulate an analog type signal path, which Bazille does, although with very digital oscs.

I agree and I also don't make too much distinction for things like this.

If something is wavetable or digital oscs they usually also have some vanilla VA type oscs as well. I just see it as some synths offering different flavours of oscillator.

Of course with wavetables you can morph oscillators in more ways than you can on a pure VA, but even in analog there are different ways to change osc sounds, some mix different waveforms and others fade between them on a dial.

If it's has oscs, envs, mixer, filter path then it's all in the same ball park to me.

To that end I consider things from Massive through to Diva all in the same basic category - which to me is 'like' VA.

[BONES]

Arguing over what constitutes a V/A isn't helping the OP at all. After thinking about this for a bit, if we're talking about something that's not a straight emulation but still does the same sorta stuff, then I think the best possible answer to the OP's question is probably Tone 2's Saurus. It's a cracker of a synth with a lot of useful features that's as easy to use as MiniMonsta or Obsession.

[gentleclockdivider]

Two users had a (verry) hard time too undertsand what I meant .

If one of those was me, then yes, I did have a hard time understanding. Sorry about that. The last pic helped (but not as to the way you do it in D1)

I didnt realise it was offensive to not know something here. I assumed it was OK to ask if you didn't know. That's how you learn in life.

I won't trouble you again.

tot ziens

No , not you and you weren't offensive at all
Let's give it all a a rest

Tot in den draai

[WatchTheGuitar]

FWIW my understanding of "Non-emulation VA synth" is any synth plugin (as we're not in the hardware forum) that isn't trying to emulate a specific synth, but has made at least some attempt to model/simulate and importantly give you some control over discrete real world analogue oscillators and/or filters. Which is why I brought up Omnisphere, but no-one seems to have said anything about it and I came in here for at least the ten minute argument about that.

[rezoneight]

You sound like you're not too familiar with how a software business works.

Except I was working full-time for one of the world's biggest software companies while you were still shitting in nappies.

You must be pretty f00kin old mate as I'm in my 50s. Just a hint: punch cards are thing of the past But yeah, go for the "still shitting in nappies" comment instead of addressing the point. Oh yeah, you can't heh.

But do tell....which of "world's biggest software companies" were you working at in the early 70s?

[Teksonik]

You have failed to explain why anyone should really care and have failed to prove that D3 can not in fact duplicate the process through the Mod Matrix. Again, D3 is capable of some great hard sync sounds.

No , you have failed to understand what I have written multiple times (why doesn' that surprise me ?)
You keep on rambling about hardsync while it's about hardsync AND FM
I made a diagram of it a few pages back , the master sync oscillator is both providing sync and ALSO FREQUENCY MODULATING the slave osc .
NOw read this verry carefully and slowly , for the frequency modulation to take place the MASTERSYNC oscilator has to be a mod source which is NOT possible in dune 3 because the mastersync is a HIDDEN implemented osc .
Post a screesnhot of DUNE 3 modmatrix where the MASTERSYNC osc is a mod source that provides both sync duties to the slave and ALSO frequency modulating the slave .
I give you 50 euro's , everyone here is my witness .
NOw please stop holding onto straws .

Thinking that talmod is simple just becasue it's a 3 osc synth showcases your total lack of understanding ,.
I am waiting for your screenshot

So I guess you're not going to let it go (why doesn't that surprise me?). Ok fair enough.

Read this very slowly and carefully, maybe ten or twenty times until it sinks in....once again you have failed to explain why anyone should care.

The example you posted in the other thread is quite frankly pathetic and laughable.

You are the only person in the decade plus since DUNE 2 and now DUNE 3 were released that has complained about the hidden hard sync osc. That tells me how utterly unimportant it is in the grand scheme of things.

The bottom line is if you say synth A is missing an obscure feature that no one else has cared about in years and then recommend simple synth B that's missing a boatload of other features then it is you who is showing a "total lack of understanding" about synthesis in general.

Post a diagram of Tal-Mod doing Wavetable or VA synthesis with 16 Oscs and 8 Pairs of different Filters or Sample Import in 8 Oscs or 3 Op FM in 16 Oscs on and on and on. I am waiting for your screenshots

Once again I am reminded of the old saying "simple things amuse simple minds" but to each their own.

Anyway this discussion has run it's course so I'm done here. Feel free to continue rambling on. I'm going to go make music.....

[Korg Supporter]

You have failed to explain why anyone should really care and have failed to prove that D3 can not in fact duplicate the process through the Mod Matrix. Again, D3 is capable of some great hard sync sounds.

No , you have failed to understand what I have written multiple times (why doesn' that surprise me ?)
You keep on rambling about hardsync while it's about hardsync AND FM
I made a diagram of it a few pages back , the master sync oscillator is both providing sync and ALSO FREQUENCY MODULATING the slave osc .
NOw read this verry carefully and slowly , for the frequency modulation to take place the MASTERSYNC oscilator has to be a mod source which is NOT possible in dune 3 because the mastersync is a HIDDEN implemented osc .
Post a screesnhot of DUNE 3 modmatrix where the MASTERSYNC osc is a mod source that provides both sync duties to the slave and ALSO frequency modulating the slave .
I give you 50 euro's , everyone here is my witness .
NOw please stop holding onto straws .

Thinking that talmod is simple just becasue it's a 3 osc synth showcases your total lack of understanding ,.
I am waiting for your screenshot

So I guess you're not going to let it go (why doesn't that surprise me?). Ok fair enough.

Read this very slowly and carefully, maybe ten or twenty times until it sinks in....once again you have failed to explain why anyone should care.

The example you posted in the other thread is quite frankly pathetic and laughable.

You are the only person in the decade plus since DUNE 2 and now DUNE 3 were released that has complained about the hidden hard sync osc. That tells me how utterly unimportant it is in the grand scheme of things.

The bottom line is if you say synth A is missing an obscure feature that no one else has cared about in years and then recommend simple synth B that's missing a boatload of other features then it is you who is showing a "total lack of understanding" about synthesis in general.

Post a diagram of Tal-Mod doing Wavetable or VA synthesis with 16 Oscs and 8 Pairs of different Filters or Sample Import in 8 Oscs or 3 Op FM in 16 Oscs on and on and on. I am waiting for your screenshots

Once again I am reminded of the old saying "simple things amuse simple minds" but to each their own.

Anyway this discussion has run it's course so I'm done here. Feel free to continue rambling on. I'm going to go make music.....

Finally, someone who's on my side!

[Uncle E]

[gentleclockdivider]

just ignore him. that is what i do. The guy got some serious mental issues it seems.

I just want to know what being a janitor at a large software company has to do with knowing how to prioritize new features....

IIrc bones was a sales representative for Autodesk

[gentleclockdivider]

The example you posted in the other thread is quite frankly pathetic and laughable.



Once again I am reminded of the old saying "simple things amuse simple minds" but to each their own.

Oh well ,the example became 'pathetic and laughable' after your penny dropped , you bright bulb.
I think it sounds pretty neat
Same synthesis method is used in bazille for the spectral osc , casio cz reso waveforms etc...
Calling it pathetic as a form of defense rather then admitting he was clueless , you're that kind of guy

[Vortifex]

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[HTT]

I’m considering ditching all my classic emulations for one maybe two original design virtual analogue VSTs. I have RP BIT, NI Super-8 and AAS VA3 which I am testing to assess their versatility and if I’ll miss the emulations. What others do you suggest I should explore?

EDIT: Forgot, I have Diva as well.

Diva is Diva. Unless it is melting your CPU, you pretty much can only go downhill from Diva. That said, ANA2 is the definitely the most "analog" of the VA synths (or can be used for VA) that aren't emulations that I have used or owned.

This list includes:
Rapid
Vital
Massive X
Serum
Falcon
Hive
PhasePlant
Pigments 3
Super 8

ANA2 has that old school analog "oomph" the others lack. Dune 3 is thinner sounding but is very sweet.I would say Dune 3 is a lagging #2. Both are very easy on the CPU. You won't go wildly wrong with either one. A wild card choice is Zebra. You can do D50-ish meets TX81Z with Zebra.