Vital - Released

[fisherKing]

huh. i choose my synth plugins by mostly by how they sound. crazy, right?...

I choose my synth plugins by how they sound and by how much I like using them. Cost is also a factor. If the CPU hit is massive and negatively affects the process of making music on my system (see: Acustica) then it's a no from me. Can't say I've noticed Vital using much CPU though.

If the interface is shite and using it is a pain in the arse I'm not going to buy it even if it sounds great. MOK Miniraze for example is a visual abomination, I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole if it produced the sweetest tones on Earth. If the interface is bad but tolerable I might buy it, like I did with Oddity 2.

totally get this. conversely, for example, i loved pigments interface, but not the sound (so got rid of it). i definitely agree with your first sentence

[k2006]

Vital blind test with 2 hardware synths

[Biome_Digital]

Hey guys, my latest release is actually a Vital Content Pack - Vital Ascendant!

https://newloops.com/products/vital-asc ... al-presets

I think it's quite unique.

[lauthal5]

Vital blind test with 2 hardware synths

Thanks for the link. Wasn't Venus Theory going to take a break?

[mabian]

Vital blind test with 2 hardware synths

Thanks for the link. Wasn't Venus Theory going to take a break?

He can't apparently

[Igro]

Hey guys, my latest release is actually a Vital Content Pack - Vital Ascendant!

https://newloops.com/products/vital-asc ... al-presets

I think it's quite unique.

Wrong quote

[Igro]

Vital blind test with 2 hardware synths

Unfortunately, the Vital is behind others. Can hear the lack of "roundness" there. I'm not sure the filters or envelopes are the reason for that.

I hope there will be some improvements.

[mabian]

Vital blind test with 2 hardware synths

Unfortunately, the Vital is behind others. Can hear the lack of "roundness" there. I'm not sure the filters or envelopes are the reason for that.

I hope there will be some improvements.

It would be nice to understand if the difference is primarily in the filters "quality" (too digital, for example) or can instead be brought back to different envelope shapes (ie linear vs exponential and so on...). Or both?

- Mario

[Igro]

Vital blind test with 2 hardware synths

Unfortunately, the Vital is behind others. Can hear the lack of "roundness" there. I'm not sure the filters or envelopes are the reason for that.

I hope there will be some improvements.

It would be nice to understand if the difference is primarily in the filters "quality" (too digital, for example) or can instead be brought back to different envelope shapes (ie linear vs exponential and so on...). Or both?

- Mario

It's hard to say, as both can contribute to this.
As for the Vital's envelopes: the decay fading could be longer. It is neutral, but still could be longer and more natural (as it is in Pigment, for instance, which is very nice). The worst decay fading is probably in Tone2 synths.

I'm not sure how to describe it, but in the video you can hear, that with the analog synths the filter modulation sounded like "phiouuu", but in Vital like "phieee". Lol. Listen to round 4 in this video. Veeery obvious.

Again, I'm not talking about how the filter sounds in isolation, but rather how it sounds after the modulation envelope has been applied.

[pdxindy]

As for the Vital's envelopes: the decay fading could be longer. It is neutral, but still could be longer and more natural (as it is in Pigment, for instance, which is very nice).

Decay on Vital's envelopes can be 32 seconds. The curve of the decay has a wide range.

[Igro]

As for the Vital's envelopes: the decay fading could be longer. It is neutral, but still could be longer and more natural (as it is in Pigment, for instance, which is very nice).

Decay on Vital's envelopes can be 32 seconds. The curve of the decay has a wide range.

It is not about the time, it about HOW "naturally" it fades during this time. At some points it gets gated too fast to sound natural. It just abrupts (just try to compare it with free PG-8X, which sounds natural). As I said, there are some synths with a very awful decay (probably to save a CPU load)

[Igro]

As for the Vital's envelopes: the decay fading could be longer. It is neutral, but still could be longer and more natural (as it is in Pigment, for instance, which is very nice).

Decay on Vital's envelopes can be 32 seconds. The curve of the decay has a wide range.

It is not about the time, it about HOW "naturally" it fades during this time. At some points it gets gated too fast to sound natural. It just abrupts (just try to compare it with free PG-8X, which sounds natural). As I said, there are some synths with a very awful decay (probably to save a CPU load)

OK. I have matched the Vitals Decay with other "good decay" synths. So I take my words here back. It just that the Vitals decay shape is not very natural (or analogue) by DEFAULT. But with a few tweaks it is "there" . Presonus S1 shows this value as -6/-7. Kudos.

[Igro]

OK. After some experimenting with the Vitals decay, I have finally figured out what was wrong with the Vitals sound in this video. It is the amp and filter decay curves. It was too linear in the video. And it is so because it is too linear by the default. Seems like the Venus Theory haven't tried to match them (the decay curve) with those analogue synths. This makes me to appreciate the Vital synth even more.

[pdxindy]

OK. I have matched the Vitals Decay with other "good decay" synths. So I take my words here back. It just that the Vitals decay shape is not very natural (or analogue) by DEFAULT. But with a few tweaks it is "there" . Presonus S1 shows this value as -6/-7. Kudos.

Yeah, the default is not so natural... and yeah, needs to be tweaked and then it fades nicely...

[digitalboytn]

I'm not an expert by any means,but I've always felt that Vital's filters are the weakest link in the chain...

But I'm happy to listen to more informed opinions and try to better understand the situation