NI Komplete 14

[vertibration]

No one has seen K7 yet, so its not wise to speculate. Once it comes out, then people can see if its worth it.

[SLiC]

No one has seen K7 yet, so its not wise to speculate. Once it comes out, then people can see if its worth it.

The new features line up with the leak (which was pretty much a full changelog) and NI's own web site- a new browser, 2 new FX and the revamped Factory Library. I suspect if there was anything else substantial, they would have led with it. Not to say the new browser won't be worth upgrading for if you are a power user...but I don't think there is much to this update at all.

[PAK]

As far as returns, today I learned that you CAN'T return komplete even if its still sealed, because its software. At least thats PMTs stance on the matter in the UK.

PMT don't write the law. Has it been 14 days since you received the item? I suspect you've went beyond 14 days if they're telling you that.

But, if you're within 14 days, and it's sealed (it's important it's still sealed) Email them immediately so you've got proof that you told them, in writing, you wish to return it within the CCR (formerly DSR) period. They might not want to take it back, but they have to in that case

[vertibration]

I think the new factory library is important no? I only saw one screen shot of a synth.

[VitaminD]

If you upgrade Komplete, do you lose access to older Komplete synths on the downloader?

No

Terse yet I suppose it solves the question, provided one can still activate the products. Thanks.

[mabian]

Curious to know if the K7 factory library is compatible with K6 one or if it is a "Komplete" replacement.
Also, with K13 if you got CE you could only get updates to CE, while if you got - for example - Ultimate you could still crossgrade to next version Standard. One of the reasons not to go CE... then you can only stay CE.

- Mario

Sorry if someone answered it already, but Kontakt libraries are not backwards compatible. So, the newly updated factory library, Choir-Omnia, and any future libraries will only work with Kontakt 7.

All Kontakt libraries released before this month will work with Kontakt 6. This month there won't be any new Kontakt library releases, except the new factory library and Choir-Omnia announced with Komplete 14/Kontakt 7.

After all, Kontakt 7 is the main incentive of this upgrade. I assume the update price to Kontakt 7 will be will $99 as usual, so for those that only want Kontakt 7 and the new factory library, this will be a cheaper alternative. However, this will only be possible October 4 onwards, which is when Kontakt 7 will be released separately in store. The only catch is though it seems that you would need a dedicated Kontakt 1-6 license for the Update and the one that's included with Komplete would not count. This is based on what I am seeing for Kontakt 6.

Thanks for replying; actually the current Factory LIbrary for K6 also worked well with K5...anyway I hope the new K7 library is available in Native Access as a different item and does *not* replace the K5/6 Factory Library. This is pretty much strange since, at least in the plugin DLL name, they dropped the version number... I would have thought of an ehnanced and extended version instead of full replacement... we'll see when it's released.

EDIT: it's marked as "Kontakt Factory Library 2" in this page:

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... OMPLETE-14

so I guess it is a totally different package, only usable in K7 onwards.

[mabian]

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... OMPLETE-14

ARKHIS seems to be missing in that list, but we know it is a Collectors Edition exclusive. There may be some other new and useful articles linked as well.

"The following tables show all the NI products that have been added to the individual KOMPLETE 14 bundles since the KOMPLETE 13 generation."

Arkhis was already in Komplete 13 (CE only)...

- Mario

[LoveEnigma18]

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... OMPLETE-14

ARKHIS seems to be missing in that list, but we know it is a Collectors Edition exclusive. There may be some other new and useful articles linked as well.

"The following tables show all the NI products that have been added to the individual KOMPLETE 14 bundles since the KOMPLETE 13 generation."

Arkhis was already in Komplete 13 (CE only)...

- Mario

Oops, indeed. Thanks for the correction, was looking at something thinking something else.

[machinesworking]

Calling devs lazy for not providing features that the Arturia devs probably got as part of a JUCE update I suppose does help point fingers away from the M1 elephant in the room. Non devs might just say "well just rip out all the old stuff and do it all in JUCE" and that is doable, but it's dependent on a lot of things, not least how well documented the existing code is or how it leverages certain performance 'tricks' that a shared engine may not give you. Too many unknowns IMO to just call someone lazy and I wonder how all the NI sackings in 2019 play into this.

That probably does play into this, but You're leaving out huge swaths of what I mentioned to make your point. NI have a history of being last in line here, it's not just this one time, it's not just this one issue. There's plenty of companies not using JUCE who have had no issues updating for modern technologies.

I 100% get that NI parted out development to various sources or in the case of Absynth they hired the developer for 15 odd years etc. I get that it's not "easy", but the facts remain, companies that used a cohesive framework for their graphics engine across their product line have had little or no issue updating for Apple Silicon, MPE, resizable GUIs, VST3 etc. etc. Again this isn't the first time, their insistence or reluctance to give up CodeWarrior in the past resulted in them taking longer than anyone else to get to Intel from PPC, despite years of warning from Apple to do so. What was annoying personally is I have friends that worked at Apple, so I was well aware they had plenty of warning to switch away from CodeWarrior to Xcode, but here's NI "Golly Apple really hit us with a curve ball here!" I'm sure it really sat well with Windows users hearing that, and NI can bite my ass for blaming in part half their user base for their laziness. <-- In this case there's no argument that can convince me otherwise.

Personally I'm sick of the excuses, NI employees have flatly stated that huge parts of their graphics framework is 15+ years old, and scattered in different directions, that, is corporate laziness, (likely it's been counters avoiding spending money on upkeep VS new products), they literally have had to stitch it together for at least the last 5 years I would bet. It's not a logical or rational way to do business when you have 20+ products to upkeep, and flatly it gets old having people whinge about Apple when NI's glacial upkeep pacing isn't an Apple issue at all. The elephant in the room has flatly been NI for the last 20 years I've been a customer, they have always been last in line with updates for technological advancements, whether it's Apple, 64 bit, MPE, Windows OS updates, etc. etc.

Literally since the beginning, NI have had a been counter problem. Great products, but released with issues back in the day.. Absynth was a CPU pig on Windows, Reaktor previous to v4 would crash on Mac OS... Komplete Care was a stark reminder of why subscriptions are a bad idea etc. Apple Silicon IMO is the least of NI's issues.

[agharta]

it's getting worse and worse and worse at every upgrade....499€ to upgrade my K13UCE to K14UCE for a bunch of samples...totally crazy...no Reaktor update, Absynth adbandoned, no FM8 update, no VST3 version of Reaktor, FM8 etc.

The main purpose of the CE Edition is all the sample libraries that aren’t in Ultimate.
Sure there are loads of extra expansions but how many people want all those!

[LoveEnigma18]

Curious to know if the K7 factory library is compatible with K6 one or if it is a "Komplete" replacement.
Also, with K13 if you got CE you could only get updates to CE, while if you got - for example - Ultimate you could still crossgrade to next version Standard. One of the reasons not to go CE... then you can only stay CE.

- Mario

Sorry if someone answered it already, but Kontakt libraries are not backwards compatible. So, the newly updated factory library, Choir-Omnia, and any future libraries will only work with Kontakt 7.

All Kontakt libraries released before this month will work with Kontakt 6. This month there won't be any new Kontakt library releases, except the new factory library and Choir-Omnia announced with Komplete 14/Kontakt 7.

After all, Kontakt 7 is the main incentive of this upgrade. I assume the update price to Kontakt 7 will be will $99 as usual, so for those that only want Kontakt 7 and the new factory library, this will be a cheaper alternative. However, this will only be possible October 4 onwards, which is when Kontakt 7 will be released separately in store. The only catch is though it seems that you would need a dedicated Kontakt 1-6 license for the Update and the one that's included with Komplete would not count. This is based on what I am seeing for Kontakt 6.

Thanks for replying; actually the current Factory LIbrary for K6 also worked well with K5...anyway I hope the new K7 library is available in Native Access as a different item and does *not* replace the K5/6 Factory Library. This is pretty much strange since, at least in the plugin DLL name, they dropped the version number... I would have thought of an ehnanced and extended version instead of full replacement... we'll see when it's released.

EDIT: it's marked as "" in this page:

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... OMPLETE-14

so I guess it is a totally different package, only usable in K7 onwards.

Yes, but that was because K6 factory library was same as K5, they just added the new instruments from Play Series as separate libraries.

This time it is indeed Kontakt Factory Library 2, so it will only work with K7 since it would be taking the advantage of some of the new features of K7, including HiDPI support.

[SLiC]

chnological advancements, whether it's Apple, 64 bit, MPE, Windows OS updates, etc. etc.
Literally since the beginning, NI have had a been counter problem. Great products, but released with issues back in the day.. Absynth was a CPU pig on Windows, Reaktor previous to v4 would crash on Mac OS... Komplete Care was a stark reminder of why subscriptions are a bad idea etc. Apple Silicon IMO is the least of NI's issues.

You forgot dropping Kore

[WatchTheGuitar]

What was annoying personally is I have friends that worked at Apple, so I was well aware they had plenty of warning to switch away from CodeWarrior to Xcode, but here's NI "Golly Apple really hit us with a curve ball here!" I'm sure it really sat well with Windows users hearing that, and NI can bite my ass for blaming in part half their user base for their laziness. <-- In this case there's no argument that can convince me otherwise.

It’s this weird pretzel logic Apple users have to never blame Apple for introducing products that are incompatible with existing applications. “They had plenty of warning”… just that strange entitlement that because of market share they do what they want and everyone has to drop everything to support their new direction. You probably live in the smell so don’t realise how much your post reeks of it. “But brand X managed to handle it” isn’t an argument IMO.

And I’m not in any way a NI fanboy, I see most of Komplete as bloatware now, but to tell me the dearth of new things is nothing to do with M1 issues doesn’t hold water to me. There’s a limited pot of dev resources, if they spend time working on M1, they aren’t adding 4K fluid resize to Kontakt.

[Atlatnesiti]

What was annoying personally is I have friends that worked at Apple, so I was well aware they had plenty of warning to switch away from CodeWarrior to Xcode, but here's NI "Golly Apple really hit us with a curve ball here!" I'm sure it really sat well with Windows users hearing that, and NI can bite my ass for blaming in part half their user base for their laziness. <-- In this case there's no argument that can convince me otherwise.

It’s this weird pretzel logic Apple users have to never blame Apple for introducing products that are incompatible with existing applications. “They had plenty of warning”… just that strange entitlement that because of market share they do what they want and everyone has to drop everything to support their new direction. You probably live in the smell so don’t realise how much your post reeks of it. “But brand X managed to handle it” isn’t an argument IMO.

And I’m not in any way a NI fanboy, I see most of Komplete as bloatware now, but to tell me the dearth of new things is nothing to do with M1 issues doesn’t hold water to me. There’s a limited pot of dev resources, if they spend time working on M1, they aren’t adding 4K fluid resize to Kontakt.

So are you telling us that hardware/computer manufacturers should stay stagnant in their hardware developments until software is ready?!
Arturia, Korg, Steinberg and Roland, just to name the few, managed to port their software to Apple Silicone months ago…
NI together with Reasonstudios are just example of crap development team.
It is 2 ago years since Apple M1 was introduced. Mind boggling

[machinesworking]

It’s this weird pretzel logic Apple users have to never blame Apple for introducing products that are incompatible with existing applications.
“They had plenty of warning”… just that strange entitlement that because of market share they do what they want and everyone has to drop everything to support their new direction. You probably live in the smell so don’t realise how much your post reeks of it. “But brand X managed to handle it” isn’t an argument IMO.

And I’m not in any way a NI fanboy, I see most of Komplete as bloatware now, but to tell me the dearth of new things is nothing to do with M1 issues doesn’t hold water to me. There’s a limited pot of dev resources, if they spend time working on M1, they aren’t adding 4K fluid resize to Kontakt.

Apple literally being the only currently relevant competition to Windows isn't "market share". the ridiculousness of this statement.. At one point here on KVR people like you were constantly calling for Apples death, it's absolutely amazing that anyone would want total monopoly by one company, but here we are. Authoritarianism is easier isn't it? no competition, things get done.

There's so much stupid here it's hard to break down. Apple are not allowed to make their own chips right? I mean that's your logic, they should always buy from a third party, and if they do make their own chips, they should always follow the same code even if it's slower. They should never do these things because their competition never does. Seriously, whose living in a bubble here? In what world is the free market the enemy of progress?

And again, absolutely nothing about what NI are doing is due to Apples mechanisms, this is always and probably always will be how NI operate, last minute changes to existing architecture is SOP for them and has been for the last 18 years I've owned their products.