Can you ever "warm" something up with digital?

[rod_zero]

Whatever "warm" means if it a physical phenomena it should be possible to measure it and then simulate it.

If you can't measure it with tools that are more sensible that the human ear, which is quite limited, then it is magic aka no evidence that it exists.

omg lmao

you failed science class?

More like you failed life. lol @ "if it can't be measured with a tool, it doesn't exist."

If you hadn't failed science class you would understand the argument, doesn't seem you are able to follow a simple syllogism and that is actually failing at life.

[mixyguy2]

That's it kid, dig deeper. Why stop now?

Not wasting more time on you. bye bye

[Erisian]

Whatever "warm" means if it a physical phenomena it should be possible to measure it and then simulate it.

If you can't measure it with tools that are more sensible that the human ear, which is quite limited, then it is magic aka no evidence that it exists.

But even if you use the most advanced technical tools, you are still using the not so sensible human eye to read them. In fact, your whole world doesn't exist according to your logic because you only know of its existence because of your physical senses.

[Erisian]

Whatever "warm" means if it a physical phenomena it should be possible to measure it and then simulate it.

If you can't measure it with tools that are more sensible that the human ear, which is quite limited, then it is magic aka no evidence that it exists.

omg lmao

you failed science class?

Biology is a science too.

[donkey tugger]

Whatever "warm" means if it a physical phenomena it should be possible to measure it and then simulate it.

If you can't measure it with tools that are more sensible that the human ear, which is quite limited, then it is magic aka no evidence that it exists.

But even if you use the most advanced technical tools, you are still using the not so sensible human eye to read them. In fact, your whole world doesn't exist according to your logic because you only know of its existence because of your physical senses.

That's a bit of an extreme positivist view to take. A more realist take would be that there is enough evidence for some phenomena to be said to exist even if we can't directly perceive them, and of course the reverse can apply if the evidence is not forthcoming..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism

[Erisian]

Whatever "warm" means if it a physical phenomena it should be possible to measure it and then simulate it.

If you can't measure it with tools that are more sensible that the human ear, which is quite limited, then it is magic aka no evidence that it exists.

But even if you use the most advanced technical tools, you are still using the not so sensible human eye to read them. In fact, your whole world doesn't exist according to your logic because you only know of its existence because of your physical senses.

That's a bit of an extreme positivist view to take. A more realist take would be that there is enough evidence for some phenomena to be said to exist even if we can't directly perceive them, and of course the reverse can apply if the evidence is not forthcoming..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism

We still have to percieve something.

[Erisian]

Whatever "warm" means if it a physical phenomena it should be possible to measure it and then simulate it.

If you can't measure it with tools that are more sensible that the human ear, which is quite limited, then it is magic aka no evidence that it exists.

But even if you use the most advanced technical tools, you are still using the not so sensible human eye to read them. In fact, your whole world doesn't exist according to your logic because you only know of its existence because of your physical senses.

That's a bit of an extreme positivist view to take. A more realist take would be that there is enough evidence for some phenomena to be said to exist even if we can't directly perceive them, and of course the reverse can apply if the evidence is not forthcoming..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism

We still have to percieve something to know anything about it. I was checking the guy's logic, not stating facts about reality.

[donkey tugger]

Whatever "warm" means if it a physical phenomena it should be possible to measure it and then simulate it.

If you can't measure it with tools that are more sensible that the human ear, which is quite limited, then it is magic aka no evidence that it exists.

But even if you use the most advanced technical tools, you are still using the not so sensible human eye to read them. In fact, your whole world doesn't exist according to your logic because you only know of its existence because of your physical senses.

That's a bit of an extreme positivist view to take. A more realist take would be that there is enough evidence for some phenomena to be said to exist even if we can't directly perceive them, and of course the reverse can apply if the evidence is not forthcoming..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism

We still have to percieve something to know anything about it. I was checking the guy's logic, not stating facts about reality.

Apologies, by 'realist' in this context I was meaning the philosophical connotation, as in scientific realism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_realism

i.e. that the discoveries of science have an absolute reality outside of our perception.

[El°HYM]

I can see an exponential build up of Aliasing in this thread.

[Erisian]

I can see an exponential build up of Aliasing in this thread.

Not from me. I hit and run. If I say something contentious and somebody quotes me, I ignore the notification, otherwise my foot-stomping alter ego will take over. I'm a coward that way.

[vurt]

as a practicing wizard, i find all this quite offensive tbh. someone should do something. grrr.

[Erisian]

as a practicing wizard, i find all this quite offensive tbh. someone should do something. grrr.

Thank goodness you are only practicing!

[PatchAdamz]

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[Ploki]

Nice.
When talking about analog warmth the conversation we should be having really is about cognitive biases

[BONES]

Amen to that!

There is also Aliasing folding back into the most sensitive Area our Ears can hear (2-5kHz) plus IMD

No, there isn't. Perhaps there can be but it's by no means a given and it is just plain stupid to suggest otherwise. I'd also suggest that 2-5kHz is nowhere near our ears' most sensitive range, especially as we age. I can barely hear anything at 5kHz these days and there has never been a time when I've cared what's going on up there.

(think about Tape here).

When I think about tape, I think "where are the hi-hats? I'm sure I heard them on the vinyl".

in the end you will always notice a Difference when comparing to an Analog - device.

Utter nonsense. I could play you 100 clips of mixed analogue and digital and you'd never, ever be able to tell which was which.

.... there are indeed Ways to get something like a 'Hifi' sound in the Digital - domain.

Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha! That's the funniest piece of bullshit I've heard in a long time. The best, easiest, fastest way to get hi-fi sound is via digital. It's the perfect medium for it.

You need to warm it during the creation of the sound, not on a master effect.
Sugarcoating digital sounding synth doesn't help, it needs to be part of the sound design or the engine.

More bullshit. You clearly have no f**king idea what you're talking about.

You can also overload the tune with those "warming" plugins, just a heads up
What I mean is while they have their uses, used sparingly and not driving them hot on every channel is the key IMHO.

I don't think Skinny Puppy would agree and neither do I. It all depends on what you are trying to achieve.

Sadly I just found out Mobile Fidelity now uses a digital step even in their one-step masters. I just cancelled some pre-orders I had from them. I honestly can't believe them of all people would do that.

And I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to be buying vinyl in the 21st Century, but there you go...

If someone can consistently distinguish between two sound sources in a blind A/B test, they are discerning a physical phenomenon, which can be measured.

The thing with it, though, is what we think of those differences. For a hundred years, engineers strove to eliminate all of those kinds of things, culminating in a pristine digital sound. Then, all of a sudden, everyone decided that they preferred their music to sound like shit, presumably through some nostalgic attachment to music made before the age of pristine digital.