4.3.8 is up

[pdxindy]

I wasn't able to get that to happen.

I'm on Mac Monterey.

Interesting. Happens here on MAC, WIndows and Linux, on new project. Forgot to mention that you have to scroll, to see the slots not updating their color.

I just scrolled with the mousewheel... still. couldn't get it to happen... hmmm

[SLiC]

It's out now- no more Betas....
I wonder if 3.4 beta is next...

[dupont]

I DL 4.3.8 and notices no chnage since 4.3.4 so I sippose this is minor improvement.

[pdxindy]

I DL 4.3.8 and notices no chnage since 4.3.4 so I sippose this is minor improvement.

Yeah... something like 30 fixes and a few minor improvements from 4.3.4 to 4.3.8

So basically some housekeeping

[Tj Shredder]

If 4.3 is getting solid, we might see something new soon…?

[pdxindy]

If 4.3 is getting solid, we might see something new soon…?

I predict the beginning of next week!

[OdoSendaidokai]

I hope there will be a big rework of many little workflow things (shortcuts, editing, jumping zooms, ...). I am not so keen about new devices.

[shaboogen]

If 4.3 is getting solid, we might see something new soon…?

I predict the beginning of next week!

Bitwig just announced they're at Imsta Fest on October 1st. I predict it happens tonight.

[] Peter:H []

If 4.3 is getting solid, we might see something new soon…?

I predict the beginning of next week!

Bitwig just announced they're at Imsta Fest on October 1st. I predict it happens tonight.

They only announced "2 new tutorial videos" ... https://www.bitwig.com/de/stories/learn ... nline-214/
Then there's Amsterdam Dance Event and beat con in October as well.
I think it will be earliest begining of November that they announce a new version.

BTW: Funny the latest "press" article is about Clap ... i.e. not really a press article. And the article before that from "Sound on Sound" is from 2021 ... I don't know. Is BW still growing or just stagnating in a niche... The latest series of regressions ( fast releases 4.3.5 - 4.3.8 ) is troubling me a bit as well.

[SLiC]

Compared to most DAWS Bitwig is still moving along very quickly (I just waited a year for Live to go from 11.1 to 11.2 with no real changes at all!) but hopefully the next update will be out soon and have something left field no one had thought of but we all love! For me the only really big feature missing now is audio edit/pitch quantise and they could fix that very easily with ARA 2 and a free Melodyne Essentials (Bit this is Bitwig so just as likely to do there own!)

[Dionysos]

...I don't know... is someone stagnating in his niche of bad-faith hot takes about Bitwig's impending doom?

[trollology]

They clearly don't have enough resources for testing the SW after each update, they expect the paying customers to test and report problems. I would not have a problem with this business model as long as two things are present:

- Plenty of active customers who proactively report all problems they find.
- Bitwig quickly fixes all reported problems ASAP.

First one is I think the biggest problem. Not many customers are there for the amount of bugs needed to be found and reported, so it is natural to never find and fix some things, and wait a long time for some bugs to be fixed.
Second one is where I think the team is strong, because they have a well designed system under the hood. The moment they know about problems, they are very competent in fixing those.

Is this "niche" feeling a chicken or egg problem? The more money spent on marketing, the larger the market share, but less money for development power. But let's say this software is extremely stable without any annoying bugs, in that case, I don't think more customers would suddenly arrive.
So I would separate these two things. Just because it feels "niche" (I don't agree with this, I think every modern DAW supporting VST is equally capable), it doesn't follow that it should release updates so quickly and untested. Imagine having your project destroyed after a big update, not very fun...

[] Peter:H []

So I would separate these two things. Just because it feels "niche" (I don't agree with this, I think every modern DAW supporting VST is equally capable), it doesn't follow that it should release updates so quickly and untested. Imagine having your project destroyed after a big update, not very fun...

Creating for a niche can be a succesfull marketing strategy. I don't know then whether I am in that niche group. May be I missed that, but theres neither a release plan, nor a "vision statement" from which I can read where the journey is heading too like "Bitwig is the leading DAW for Live Artists that want to use their analog Hardware". Will there ever be more midi/note editor tools? Will there ever be a MSEG, will there ever be Gost Clips? Is catching up with other DAWs in some areas a goal or a none-goal? Will the focus be completely on live (see EQ+ design decision for the delay compensation)? I really don't know the answer to any of these ...
And then I tried to achive simple things with Grid and failed: Can you decompose a 4 note chord into it's notes? I failed. I was only able to get "lowest" and "highest". I wasn't able to do it, because though we are in digital area, grid tries to be so close to analogue modular as possible. That can be a marketing strategy as well if your primary use case is "live shows with bitwig and analog hardware"... but then I'm definitely not in the niche target group... Questions over questions.

[Cyoon]

- Plenty of active customers who proactively report all problems they find.
- Bitwig quickly fixes all reported problems ASAP.

First one is I think the biggest problem. Not many customers are there for the amount of bugs needed to be found and reported, so it is natural to never find and fix some things, and wait a long time for some bugs to be fixed.
Second one is where I think the team is strong, because they have a well designed system under the hood. The moment they know about problems, they are very competent in fixing those.

hm, that's quite a bold claim. What is your source here?

[SLiC]

I'm not sure the niche is that small, Bitwig can cover most of what Ableton Live can do (and obviously add some unique tricks on top) and Live seems rather popular...

Live was going 20 years before it added Ghost clips and still has nothing like the unified mod system (and don't even mention in clip editing) so for me (and I still use Live) Bitwig is ahead in the game in most respects other than hardware integration and having a massive user base!