selling patches?

[robert_p]

I wonder, Robert_p, how much of your time did it take to convert all those patches? Couple minutes or so? Not including downloading and organisation into MuLab's folder. Because this would be the only action required by a default library in order to update it.

It took me about 30 sec. to download the library as "zip" file:

MuLib Download.jpg

The folder structure has been preserved in this file, so I just unzipped it to my User Library folder:

MuLib Content.jpg

The conversion itself didn't take long (just a few minutes - it was done before I finished my coffee;) Some of the patches were too old for Mux8/MuLab9 to convert, however, these patches also existed as updated version within the library.

[humanboeing]

Rainmeter is great but there's no need for it, as mux presets have the creator info badge. It doesn't show you creator directly in the preset name, but in the future, if preset tagging system would be present, creator names could be visible as another tag.

[sl23]

My point is that if there were a larger range of default patches forming a library, for Jo to keep the updated takes minutes once per year. And as there is currently a selection of patches already included, surely this is something that is already done anyway. It would mean taking a couple minutes longer with a larger library.

This would only be needed to be performed when a new major version is released as it is by the user currently. So, what, once annually? Hardly taking up much dev time.

Rainmeter was just an example. U-he do the same thing. Metadata is part of the patch, though many of their user patches don't contain it. But with an expanded default MuLab library, this would have to become the norm.

[Michael L]

But with an expanded default MuLab library, this would have to become the norm.

Why do you want an expanded default library, rather than a better-organised user library?

[sl23]

Who's going to organise the existing library?

Plus, the purpose of discussion was to add a default library of patches. Not essentially what I now want, as a newcomer I did, but now I just agree that it is useful to and entices newcomers.

Imagine buying a hardware synth with just a few patches! Yeah many people are sound designers and don't care, but there are just as many that prefer editing patches to sound design.

[Michael L]

Thank you sl23, I see more clearly what you mean and I agree:

Jo put many cool MuLib synths into the Factory library, but the creator's default sound is not always the best example.

And some useful parameters are not on the front panel, so a newcomer would not know how to bring out its possibilities.

For example, I just played with Crystallonium and tweaking the LFO with chords is beautiful but the front is almost blank.

Perhaps a regular Preset Exchange in this forum, where we share draft presents for one synth at a time.

Each synth would then get its own subfolder of presets, and some with a modified front panel.

[sl23]

That sounds like a good idea Michael

We could start with a preset and everyone could get involved in designing some sounds for it. They don't always have to be the best sound designer, just as long as it adds something to the list that has a usable sound. I'm no designer, as can be seen by my own presets, but I'll give it a try if there's interest

Oh, and, apologies if this hijack is my fault!

Personally, I don't agree with purchasing presets for any synth as there are just way too many freebies to make it worth spending my hard earned money on. But, that is just my opinion

[robert_p]

(...) I'm no designer (...)

You don't have to be a sound designer, just grab 4 factory patches, put them together and you've got a new preset;)

Play some chords on your midi keyboard - if you haven't got a keyboard - the presets you'd create will be most likely unusable;)

[hope4ever]

I am not good with sound design, i have only scratched the surface with a free synth and otherwise messed around with it in the past.

I have no custom mulab instrument presets/patches, I have tried in the past to make some but they did not sound great. I have probably slightly edited existing presets that is all, by turning one dial etc.

I have made over 10 songs easy with mulab, lots more including other DAW's. However my songs are often short, as short as around 30 seconds sometimes and usually not much more than 1 or 2 minutes long.

I prefer to use patches/presets that are present in the instruments i use, I have some vst synths that have quite a lot of presets. I do not want to get bogged down with sound design when creativity strikes me making my instrumental tracks.

I have used a lot of samples (from sample cd/dvd's or online downloads I purchased) in my past music for the speed i can get the right sound and go on with creating.

I have come back to Mulab after a break from it and just about fell in love with it again. great clarity instruments.

My last 3 songs (Instrumental tracks) were created entireley in Mulab with no other vst's or samples, one was a colaboration with a friend. I am awen22 on soundcloud. Here are my 3 most recent songs created entirely with Mulab...

https://soundcloud.com/awen22/bouncing- ... al_sharing

https://soundcloud.com/awen22/europop-m ... al_sharing

https://soundcloud.com/awen22/dr-moonfl ... al_sharing

Problem is I am running out of good new Mulab instruments to carry on just using Mulab, hence why I posted to this thread to ask.

I made the 3 above songs in Mulab 9, I have upgraded my license from around Mulab 6 and have every version up to 9 that I am using.

[Michael L]

I have no custom mulab instrument presets/patches, I have tried in the past to make some but they did not sound great... I have come back to Mulab after a break from it and just about fell in love with it again. Great clarity instruments.

A useful question you raise: What synth parameters make a great, clear sound?

I think its most helpful to 'take apart' a synth with a sound you like, to learn why it is clear. You can use the systematic method I outlined here using the Basic Synth:
viewtopic.php?p=8507703#p8507703

The Oscilloscope is a useful tool to show what a clear sound looks like, and you can drop it anywhere in the signal chain!

Suggestion: people who design new presets should add all important parameters to the front panel, to make their sound design more transparent.

Designers can also add their name and written sound design info to the Creator Info window (under the Front Panel>Options>Presets context menu).

[hope4ever]

I should rephrase this "Problem is I am running out of good new Mulab instruments / presets / patches for the genres I like and make and what sounds good to me... to carry on just using Mulab, hence why I posted to this thread to ask."

New people using Mulab may not have many samples or vst instruments and could run out of sounds.

Also my last 3 (linked above) songs were mostly composed outside in the open air (rain allowing - i got lucky) on my windows tablet computer which is comparable speed to my main windows laptop that i use in the house. I done some editing afterwards in the house on the laptop. My tablet is a linx 10V64, I was suprised how well that turned out. Reason I mention this is because it has a seemingly non changeable 64GB hard drive with half used by windows. Having a lightweiht DAW like Mulab was needed for me why I started using it again. There is not a lot of room left to fill it with vst 's and sample cd/dvd's. So yes there is a need for me to have more instrument / presets / patches included with Mulab and they are light on harddrive space and even resources because they are mostly not sample based. I love KV331 Audio SynthMaster vst for this reason too.

[hope4ever]

A useful question you raise: What synth parameters make a great, clear sound?

I wish I knew I am not good at sound design, nor do I want to jump into that research hole just yet to find out. I am not ready, there is so much for me to learn.

Thanks for your reply.

It sounds like you are on board with this threads idea

[Michael L]

there is so much for me to learn.

It never ends. I learn almost everything by making and fixing mistakes.

BTW, I notice that designers often put peformance-related parameters on the front panel, like envelope and FX.

If we also put sound-related parameters on the front panel, like the waveforms and their harmonies, it would increase understanding when sharing patches.

We could also add sound Info to the Creator Info, or with [FR] a 'Sticky Note' component.

[hope4ever]

there is so much for me to learn.

It never ends. I learn almost everything by making and fixing mistakes.

BTW, I notice that designers often put peformance-related parameters on the front panel, like envelope and FX.

If we also put sound-related parameters on the front panel, like the waveforms and their harmonies, it would increase understanding when sharing patches.

We could also add sound Info to the Creator Info, or with [FR] a 'Sticky Note' component.

I use trial and error too, just jam things down and see if they work, I rarely have a plan or even sound idea beforehand.

I get the jist of what you said there and it sounds logical to me to do, thanks for the great ideas. All for creators name or username etc included in the instrument patch / preset to easily see on the instrument window who made it.

[hope4ever]

On my most recent song Bouncing Mulab master and other instrument meters were in the red clipping and yet I did not notice any derangement of the sound, fair play mulab. It helped to have the song louder to hear throuh headphones on tablet computer. I must have forgot to lower volumes when I bumped song to wav then mp3 in audacity.

I used cheap 20-30 pounds Sony headphones to create those last 3 songs above much as I always do, I have a headphone splitter cable that pluged into the audio jack on the windows tablet and thus 2 headphones. Sound was a bit lower volume but workable. I previously had more expensive sennheiser headphones but gave up buying them after a couple of losses.

I didn't use a midi keyboard to make my recent songs. Instead i placed the notes down with the mouse click and touchscreen on the windows 10 linx 10V64 tablet. Usually I do not use a midi keyboard but I do have one, I have not tr ied it on the tablet, I am using the usb port for the mouse currently, though I could get some kind of splitter for usb. The tablet has an on screen keyboard (for typing) that i click a button in taskbar so it appears, as it does not always automatically appear when you touch an input box. I do not have any physical attachable keyboard to go with this tablet, I just have the tablet computer.

This link shows the touchscreen type... Touch Module = "10-Point Capacitive Touch Panel"
support.linxtablets.com/Products/Linx10v64/Downloads/Linx_10v64_User_Guide.pdf

I believe this is the official web page for the tablet I have..
support.linxtablets.com/Products/Linx10v64/

I have to say just how amazing it is to have Mulab touch enabled on a touchscreen in addition to using the mouse! I still can't work out if the touch ability is native to Mulab, native to Windows 10 or both. Anyway I like it, it is so easy to add a note at a press and press again to delete a note, make it longer etc by dragging. Being able to change the grid size is a big part of that too. Other parts of Mulab being touch enabled is great too. I have one friend who is not into computers and is literally unable to use a mouse, yet he is able to use the touchscreen to add/remove notes, I have high hopes to get him fully into music making in the future, basically because of touch. Other friends use either touch or mouse and like being able to do it both ways, me too!

I could always get extra storage for the linx 10V64 by adding a micro sd card, then store my sample cd/dvd's on there. It states 32GB max micro SD card but I suspect It will take higher GB cards. It did take a 64GB micro sd card and I was able to see all the space in GB.

Some DAW Suites have total installers that are compressed 10GB, lol, far too much space taken up. Though you can somewhat pick and choose components and save some space.

I did find a maybe bug using Mulab in windows 10 on the linxV64 tablet... When pressing the piano roll with touch on the touchscreen sometimes even often it would not play any sound when you hit a piano key and had an instrument loaded to that track. One in 10 touches would make a sound but it was weak low volume. Mainly happened during song playback of a looped part and also problem stayed ater that . There was never a problem placing down notes in the grid and hearing them with touch. Mouse never had a problem clicking piano roll to make a sound and placing notes down with clicks, you always heard the sound. Note i did resize the grid both ways to make the grid squares larger and easier to press with touch. Note the tablets touchscreen has always worked ok outside of Mulab.

I had a few occasional jumps around in playback in Mulab on the tablet in windows 10 but i guess windows may have been doing something at the time to cause that.

I compared my tablet cpu and laptop cpu using cpubenchmark dot net

The linx 10V64 tablet has a smaller screen resolution (720p) than latter tablets so it was easier to see and read the screen. Battery life is around 4 hours on max battery saver in Windows 10. linx 10V64 has an intel atom x86-64 processor which is very low powered in watts so has no air vents to keep tthe tablet cool, which is ideal for me, especially in a bit of rain, i have time to put it away.

I usualy use lower quality and/or clarity samples and instruments and vst's when i make my music than Mulab has. It has worked out ok for me, I believe Mulab should add any and all the user content (if allowed by each user) regardless of clarity or quality and let the user decide if its useable for them. Quantity over quality imo.

Another friend created a song in Mulab sat outside doing so with the tablet, he composed most of it I just helped with some ideas and technical stuff but he has copyright so I won't upload that to here. He used the stock Mulab instruments as well only and created some very eerie parts, 3 seperate different clips, I uphold the eerie sound/melody as something to aim for so i was impressed.

All my linked "Mix 1's" were made outside on the tablet, subsequant Mix 2 and later were made indoors.

I struggled to find a slightly waterproof(rain shower proof) tablet to take outside but the linx 10V64 is well sealed seemingly but has some holes here and there. It is not waterproof at all really just better in that it does not have ventilation holes in the sides going straight to the circuitry like some other brands of tablets, even ones with an intel i3, i5, i7 - U series cpu that is low power. I also faiked to find a tight fitting silicone case/cover for it due to the tablet being so old and not as well known.

Not sure why I thought to share all of that now. Apologies if some of that is off topic.