Is it time for SUPER plugin?

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What is getting more and more popular?
AI, it kinda replaces an mixing engineer
Plugins as correcting tools to hide lack in
well treated rooms, good recording techniques, playing
or performing skills, like Autotune on vocals
Close emulations, I do not get the always repeated question
does it come close to the real thing? truly speaking.
Either a plugin works for you or not.
The majority will never ever see a real unit
and if a plugin emu works for you well,
will it all of a sudden not work any more,
when people confirm
it's not very close to the real thing?!

Is it time for a SUPER plugin that analyzes your
vocal track and makes it sound like Elvis, Bruce Springsteen,
Janis Joplin or whoever
Drums like Bonham or Prince Linn Drums style?
Make the bass slap like Larry Graham or Marcus Miller or...
Guitar like Hendrix, Van Halen or...
Piano like Bill Evans, Chick Korea, Herbie Hancock or...

To be able to play an instrument is less important today
and everyone can become a music producer and with
Super plugin audio production could be raised to
the next level.

Maybe not only with ability to adapt or change to
the playing style of an artist, but also soundwise.

One plugin is already used and has uniformed the vocals.
The reference artist is called Autotune.
When used as an effect it always sounds pretty similar,
so why not expanding this habit to other instruments.
You play guitar either on synth or real guitar,
but want it to sound and be performed like by
Ingwie Malmsteen or Ritchie
Blackmore? No problem with super plugin.

You could create the band of your dreams:
Oscar Peterson on piano, Bonham on drums,
Annie Lennox on vocals, Flea on bass, Al di Meola on guitar.
You can't play Flamenco, but want to add a touch of it
to a latin style mix?
Just track the basic idea and then select Paco de Lucia.
And in case kind of copyright could be a problem,
just name Barry White Mr Low or Prince Purple Pain.
Plugin analyzes audio and changes it to your artist's style and sound
and even gives you different variations that one could select.

I suppose a plugin like this could be done easily today,
hope it will be released soon ;)

What do you think which dev will release this kind of plugin?
It's just a question of time...

Izotope, Waves, Sonible or...?

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Naah, just learn an instrument and do it yourself. Music's about creating and shaping, not automatically generating and choosing. That's business and money.

I don't believe this could be done with todays tech either - and if someone tried it would sound like trash. Take a listen to the ai jukebox.

Someone could develop a DAW which is designed to work with AI tools in the future, giving a producer or engineer 'something like' what you're describing; dedicated control tools for certain instrument types, sending advanced MIDI-like instructions to physical models.

Anyway, stop hoping tech will save you having to make music, because that music will be sh!t. I guarantee it. Make music with your hands (and feet if you like) and think it with _your_ brain, in realtime.

A dev will do it, for sure. Developers are curious and like to poke around in unusual corners. But it won't be a plugin like you think about regular plugins. And the 'good' ones (read: the ones used to churn out branding/advert music) won't be around for at least a decade.

These are my original thoughts.

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Interesting thoughts, but I don't think it's what the young generation wants.
Virtuosity is not popular any more, playing solos or long guitar solos
like Hendrix, it's not popular any more.
The basics to play an instrument are more than enough
or just learn to hit a key on your keyboard
you can get every instrument from a VSTi.
"Producers" use loops or midi files today, especially for drums.
Also songwriting is often not done by one or two (Lennon/McCartney)
creative minds any more, it's done by teams of sometimes more than
10 people. If there's a lack in creativity, you simply add several
small ideas to one thing.
The challenge is not big any more, no solos, no third part or
bridge any more, verse and chorus that's all.
Also music is often produced in bedrooms,
so no need for many musicians any more,
there is not even enough space in a bedroom to
place too much gear.
Old people are the majority now and think music still
should be handmade or sound like in the 80s, 70s, 60s...
But times are changing, the past is just a prison
you should escape from.
And I think super plugin won't be used just to imitate
old styles it will open new ways of creativity that could
be integrated in modern styles.
Some maybe don't even know Oscar Peterson,
but maybe his style could be cool in a production
with lots of options to tweak and add effects.
And this way these old artists won't fall into oblivion
and a kind of Renaissance could happen...

Imo Super plugin is the next step and today's software level is ready for
developing it
Last edited by Leo1999 on Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:37 am, edited 1 time in total.

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It's time for super plugin

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The younger generations thinks it knows what it wants. It will later realise it was misguided and misinformed about "the wonders of technology making art". Music is a human thing, not a machine thing.

Sure, you might get, for example, a DJ who doesn't play any released music, just a list of auto-generated sounds. That kind of 'art' works fine in a the corner of a corporate event, or in an advert. But it takes human choices to make something which will last the test of time. It sounds like you _think_ a machine might eventually write something which has the longevity of Beethoven's 9th, "Mr Tambourine Man" or even Axel F; I promise you, if they even can, it won't be soon.

If you look at the charts and listen to the songs 'made by commitee' (a bunch of 'specialists') that music is not good. It is a sequence of catchy noises, low-brow harmonic structures, and boring, predictable arrangements designed to hit the current trends and sell, Sell SELL. This is the unavoidable truth.

Your SuperPlugin will not exist in the form you want.

Art is not supposed to be easy; art is something you learn to pull from inside of you - not "oh yeah this loop is better than that loop". It kills me to think there are people who think you can ask a machine to make your art for you. That's the travesty. And I feel sorry for the deluded masses who believe they can, and that the output will be anywhere near 'good'.

Please just learn how to play a real instrument, or how to sing from your heart. THAT stuff lasts the test of time.

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CinningBao wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:35 am The younger generations thinks it knows what it wants. It will later realise it was misguided and misinformed about "the wonders of technology making art". Music is a human thing, not a machine thing.

60 years ago communication was rather a human thing, face to face.
Now communication is short messages with abbreviations or smileys
and the focus is primarily on smartphone even when people meet.
Things and habits change and to say something was better back in the day
is very subjective or someone is just still living in the past.

Hmmm yo, I wd say it's a scientific matter, n-no
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Guitar solos are terrible anyway
CinningBao wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:35 am The younger generations thinks it knows what it wants. It will later realise it was misguided and misinformed about "the wonders of technology making art". Music is a human thing, not a machine thing.

i doubt it, older generations never realised that guitar solos are terrible
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If you're not contributing to the creation of the work, what's the f**k is the point?

Or is it just the ultimate shortcut for the ultimate wannabe? A tool for someone who thinks they're entitled to be a musician even if they cant be arsed putting any effort in whatsoever?

Sounds like it.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand

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1st: guitarist aren't musicians
2nd: guitar solos aren't music
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whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:46 am If you're not contributing to the creation of the work, what's the f**k is the point?

Or is it just the ultimate shortcut for the ultimate wannabe? A tool for someone who thinks they're entitled to be a musician even if they cant be arsed putting any effort in whatsoever?

Sounds like it.
From a scientific side not
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A plugin that will play songs you didn’t write in the style of someone else?

Isn’t that called Spotify?
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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Ploki wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:47 am 1st: guitarist aren't musicians
2nd: guitar solos aren't music
I'm not quite sure what this contributes to the discussion, apart from it being plainly false.

Your opinion of music does not make up the worlds opinion of music.

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Ploki wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:47 am 1st: guitarist aren't musicians
2nd: guitar solos aren't music
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fernando (FMR)

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Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:49 am
whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:46 am If you're not contributing to the creation of the work, what's the f**k is the point?

Or is it just the ultimate shortcut for the ultimate wannabe? A tool for someone who thinks they're entitled to be a musician even if they cant be arsed putting any effort in whatsoever?

Sounds like it.
Is a singer where autotune was used for correction a singer or not?
Strange enough that something like Autotune never was used on guitar solos, but most people don't want guitar solos today any more, anyway
I don't know what you're saying. I see words in a row but I don't know what they mean.

I've used AT on guitar solos so that's wrong. It sounds like you're a beginner in the world of music-making who has a lot of exploring to do.

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jamcat wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:50 am A plugin that will play songs you didn’t write in the style of someone else?

Isn’t that called Spotify?
Sorry, too less scientific, keep on being on the right track pleeze
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