Is it time for SUPER plugin?

[whyterabbyt]

Is a singer where autotune was used for correction a singer or not?

Did you not know that a singer does the singing, whether they're autotuned or not?

[revvy]

Is a singer where autotune was used for correction a singer or not?

Did you not know that a singer does the singing, whether they're autotuned or not?

Agreed.

But Rick Beato really really disagrees.

[jamcat]

A plugin that will play songs you didn’t write in the style of someone else?

Isn’t that called Spotify?

No you for instance play a guitar and plugin will transform it to the playing style and sound of a certain guitarist. You still have to play something, the plugin will refer to what you give him.

You don’t see a flaw to this?
How are you going to turn your horrible playing into Eddie Van Halen unless you replace every note you played with 10 completely different notes and a whammy divedomb?

[whyterabbyt]

But Rick Beato really really disagrees.

Not sure who that is, but I doubt they're about to reframe the entire culture of making music.

[jamcat]

Also, you’re going to need the David Lee Roth add-on to keep the Eddie Van Halen preset from going to shit.

[Leo1999]

If you're not contributing to the creation of the work, what's the f**k is the point?

Or is it just the ultimate shortcut for the ultimate wannabe? A tool for someone who thinks they're entitled to be a musician even if they cant be arsed putting any effort in whatsoever?

Sounds like it.

Is a singer where autotune was used for correction a singer or not?
Strange enough that something like Autotune never was used on guitar solos, but most people don't want guitar solos today any more, anyway

I don't know what you're saying. I see words in a row but I don't know what they mean.

I've used AT on guitar solos so that's wrong. It sounds like you're a beginner in the world of music-making who has a lot of exploring to do.

Try consider it a science

[Leo1999]

But Rick Beato really really disagrees.

Not sure who that is, but I doubt they're about to reframe the entire culture of making music.

Rick Beato has a deeply scientific side

[CinningBao]

If you're not contributing to the creation of the work, what's the f**k is the point?

Or is it just the ultimate shortcut for the ultimate wannabe? A tool for someone who thinks they're entitled to be a musician even if they cant be arsed putting any effort in whatsoever?

Sounds like it.

Is a singer where autotune was used for correction a singer or not?
Strange enough that something like Autotune never was used on guitar solos, but most people don't want guitar solos today any more, anyway

I don't know what you're saying. I see words in a row but I don't know what they mean.

I've used AT on guitar solos so that's wrong. It sounds like you're a beginner in the world of music-making who has a lot of exploring to do.

You don't understand what I am writing?
Do you expect my reply to be similar to yours,
wondering whether you are a beginner of understanding
simple sentences?!
No guitarist before about 1995 used or would use autotune
for correcting his performance, that's a fact, it's a matter of honour.
Rather he would track a 2nd take.

It's more like you started a conversation you weren't ready for.
The plugin idea, as fanciful and clever as it sounds to you, is ludicrous. It just sounds like you don't understand the reason people do music, or what technology is capable of.

Do you make music? Why do you make music?
If you do do music, it sounds like you're in it for the wrong reasons.

[whyterabbyt]

A plugin that will play songs you didn’t write in the style of someone else?

Isn’t that called Spotify?

No you for instance play a guitar and plugin will transform it to the playing style and sound of a certain guitarist. You still have to play something, the plugin will refer to what you give him.

why?

If you can play well enough that applying someone else's 'sound and style' wont still sound like utter shite, what's the actual point of applying it?

And if you cant play well enough that applying someone else's 'sound and style' wont still sound like utter shite, what's the actual point of applying that sound and style?

I mean if this magical fairywand plugin is going to have to change any of the music you played, not just its sound and style, so that its actually decent guitar playing in that sound and style, then it might as well do it from scratch, the playing itself is pointless.

[Leo1999]

If you're not contributing to the creation of the work, what's the f**k is the point?

Or is it just the ultimate shortcut for the ultimate wannabe? A tool for someone who thinks they're entitled to be a musician even if they cant be arsed putting any effort in whatsoever?

Sounds like it.

Is a singer where autotune was used for correction a singer or not?
Strange enough that something like Autotune never was used on guitar solos, but most people don't want guitar solos today any more, anyway

I don't know what you're saying. I see words in a row but I don't know what they mean.

I've used AT on guitar solos so that's wrong. It sounds like you're a beginner in the world of music-making who has a lot of exploring to do.

Scientific or not is the question

[whyterabbyt]

No guitarist before about 1995 used or would use autotune
for correcting his performance, that's a fact, it's a matter of honour.
Rather he would track a 2nd take.

No, its not a matter of honour in the slightest.

It is a fact though. For an entirely different reason.

Its also a fact that no vocalist before about 1995 used or would use Autotune.

For the exact same reason.

That reason is that Autotune wasnt developed until 1996, and wasnt released until 1997.

[jamcat]

Ever heard of loops? Midi file packs? Software that creates
Chord progressions?

Yeah, Unison MIDI Chord Packs are fire!

[Ploki]

1st: guitarist aren't musicians
2nd: guitar solos aren't music

I'm not quite sure what this contributes to the discussion, apart from it being plainly false.

Your opinion of music does not make up the worlds opinion of music.

I guess i need to explain the point i so carefully crafted into a two-liner joke.

What constitutes "good music" is largely subjective, and the craft itself (such as virtuosity or other musical accomplishment) doesn't really mean that the music is art or worth anything. (point in case: jacob collier). It's just meaningless drivel.
Amount of solos or amount of time practicing an instrument doesn't make music good. period.

there's probably a million better guitarists and every opera singer will argue that they know how to sing better than he does and he didn't even write the song.
still.


edit:
i think i need to put a disclaimer here:
I have 6 years of piano training, 12 years of classical guitar training, and i have a masters degree in music composition.

I work with loops sometimes. I don't care. If it conveys what i'm trying to say, i'm gonna use it.
Sometimes i record a full drumset. Sometimes i write sheet music and call in strings. Whatever works. It's music, it's art, it's not a masturbation competition

[Leo1999]

A plugin that will play songs you didn’t write in the style of someone else?

Isn’t that called Spotify?

No you for instance play a guitar and plugin will transform it to the playing style and sound of a certain guitarist. You still have to play something, the plugin will refer to what you give him.

why?

If you can play well enough that applying someone else's 'sound and style' wont still sound like utter shite, what's the actual point of applying it?

And if you cant play well enough that applying someone else's 'sound and style' wont still sound like utter shite, what's the actual point of applying that sound and style?

I mean if this magical fairywand plugin is going to have to change any of the music you played, not just its sound and style, so that its actually decent guitar playing in that sound and style, then it might as well do it from scratch, the playing itself is pointless.

The core is a scientific thing

[whyterabbyt]

If you lived today you would know that a lot of music
does not need the high level skills of a musician any more.
Ever heard of loops? Midi file packs? Software that creates
Chord progressions? Drum machines?
Audio correction tools?
Ever heard of Spotify?

So your argument is 'shortcuts exist, so shortcuts are better.'

And to you the act of doing nothing more than compositing someone else's effort is sufficient.

Presumably you would argue for calling yourself a chef because you can heat up a ready-meal.