Recommendation for neutral-sounding broad strokes EQ (no curves view)
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- KVRAF
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- 4007 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Hamilton, New Zealand
Oh wait shit it has gain compensation? Colour me sold!imrae wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:40 amFor broad shaping it’s less restrictive than it looks; because of the heavily overlapping curves you can get various corner frequencies by using neighbouring bands in different ratios. The gain-compensation, missing from the hardware and Maag plugin, makes it much easier to do this without being fooled by overall volume.metamorphosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:05 amAh yes, the MAAG eq clone. Unfortunately lack of adjustable freq makes this a no-go, but thanks for reminding me of it. MAAG eq was overrated.
I wish every plugin had a-weighted gain compensation - particularly steve slate compressors - would make finding the right sound - as opposed to the louder sound - so much easier.
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- KVRAF
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- 4007 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Hamilton, New Zealand
Okay, roundup:
I like slick EQ more than Luftikus in terms of the variety and the presense of a HP filter, though I get roughly equivalent (but slightly different) results from both. Neither of them have a-weighted gain compensation, but the gain compensation they have still helps.
I tested both blindEQ and IQ505 - didn't do the others - both are 64-bit only, unfortunately, since I have a lot of 32-bit-only plugin projects. Blindeq I didn't get good results out of compared to Slick and Luft because of the lack of gain compensation and how easy that made it to fool yourself. Once the gain was adjusted to match SlickEQ/luft subjective output volume, result were worse.
IQ505 has a-weighted gain compensation and sounds nice, but ultimately I didn't get as-good results out of it as lft and slickeq.
So the winners are: SlickEQ and Luftikus. SlickEQ by a hair, due to the ability to change from neutral to coloured response and the presense of the HP filter.
[EDIT: side-note, I am still able to get better results than all of these, at least for slightly more coloured work, with vibe - perhaps that's because I'm more used to how it works, but still]
I like slick EQ more than Luftikus in terms of the variety and the presense of a HP filter, though I get roughly equivalent (but slightly different) results from both. Neither of them have a-weighted gain compensation, but the gain compensation they have still helps.
I tested both blindEQ and IQ505 - didn't do the others - both are 64-bit only, unfortunately, since I have a lot of 32-bit-only plugin projects. Blindeq I didn't get good results out of compared to Slick and Luft because of the lack of gain compensation and how easy that made it to fool yourself. Once the gain was adjusted to match SlickEQ/luft subjective output volume, result were worse.
IQ505 has a-weighted gain compensation and sounds nice, but ultimately I didn't get as-good results out of it as lft and slickeq.
So the winners are: SlickEQ and Luftikus. SlickEQ by a hair, due to the ability to change from neutral to coloured response and the presense of the HP filter.
[EDIT: side-note, I am still able to get better results than all of these, at least for slightly more coloured work, with vibe - perhaps that's because I'm more used to how it works, but still]
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- KVRAF
- 6828 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france
Oh, about Analog Obsession, I like Fiver :Vortifex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:14 am You could try the free Blend EQ from Analog Obsession. No auto gain though: https://www.patreon.com/posts/blendeq-67460087
https://www.patreon.com/posts/fiver-48483719
It sounds good, is quite neutral, you can bypass each band...
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- KVRAF
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- 4007 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Hamilton, New Zealand
Both look good but no 32-bit.sinkmusic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:49 amOh, about Analog Obsession, I like Fiver :Vortifex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:14 am You could try the free Blend EQ from Analog Obsession. No auto gain though: https://www.patreon.com/posts/blendeq-67460087
https://www.patreon.com/posts/fiver-48483719
It sounds good, is quite neutral, you can bypass each band...
In practice over the past 2 weeks that Vibe EQ is still my go-to for first-pass, but then using the other two above post-effects is very useful, in terms of adjusting for how effects adjust the eq.
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- KVRAF
- 1803 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc
SlickEQ and SlickEQ M
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- KVRAF
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- 4007 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Hamilton, New Zealand
64-bit only but got me interested in the 'pultec trick' so will have to find a 32-bit pultec clone
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- KVRAF
- 3089 posts since 4 May, 2012
I would also recommend Tokyo Dawn Labs' (free) "SlickEQ": https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-vos-slickeq/
You can do this with any parametric EQ. Just make sure the slope of the low shelf continues rolling off into the negative so it starts to cut. You could do this with an additional bell/peak filter and adjust to taste.metamorphosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:16 pm64-bit only but got me interested in the 'pultec trick' so will have to find a 32-bit pultec clone
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- KVRAF
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... might want to read through the threadUnaspected wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:57 am I would also recommend Tokyo Dawn Labs' (free) "SlickEQ": https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-vos-slickeq/
No, the curves of the pultec clones are very specific, and as far as I understand it, non-linear. Not worth my time to try and emulate with another plugin. Certainly based on my experience of playing with the pultecs so far, they do achieve something you can't with a regular parametric. Having used paras for 25 years.Unaspected wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:57 am You can do this with any parametric EQ. Just make sure the slope of the low shelf continues rolling off into the negative so it starts to cut. You could do this with an additional bell/peak filter and adjust to taste.
Anyway, as far as free & 32-bit-capable pultec clones go, pteq-x is great. The interface is pretty wonky, but it gets the job done.
Sonimus's soneq is also worth a mention - I'd say it's not as good as the above, but it's WooW/saturation mechanic can give an interesting stereo effect. I wouldn't use it as a general-purpose eq, more as a post-effects bump
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- 1092 posts since 9 Apr, 2012
Aside from using SlickEQ Ge I still like SonEQ
https://sonimus.com/products/soneq and DDMF’s 6144 https://ddmf.eu/6144-equalizer-plugin/ .
The Midband from the SonEQ sounds pretty great on Bass.
The 6144 can be pushed pretty extreme and still sounds awesome.
https://sonimus.com/products/soneq and DDMF’s 6144 https://ddmf.eu/6144-equalizer-plugin/ .
The Midband from the SonEQ sounds pretty great on Bass.
The 6144 can be pushed pretty extreme and still sounds awesome.
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- KVRAF
- 2565 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
I believe the trick to achieving Pultec-like workflow/curves using a parametric EQ is to have two competing low-shelf filters (with cut higher than boost),
not a low shelf boost and low peak cut.
not a low shelf boost and low peak cut.
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- KVRAF
- 3089 posts since 4 May, 2012
I just did a second time - not sure what I missed.metamorphosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:39 pm... might want to read through the threadUnaspected wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:57 am I would also recommend Tokyo Dawn Labs' (free) "SlickEQ": https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-vos-slickeq/
I appreciated your write up on it - not many people give such detailed replies.
Same. It's mostly down to the interaction between the filters. So, indeed, if you are automating the response, this might be a difficult thing to achieve with a parametric EQ - but if you're using static settings - as one would expect with this type of EQ - then you should be able to match the required curve easily enough. As long as you don't want the vibe - which I read as saturation/distortion. Otherwise, you could follow this with some from of subtle tube emulation.metamorphosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:39 pmNo, the curves of the pultec clones are very specific, and as far as I understand it, non-linear. Not worth my time to try and emulate with another plugin. Certainly based on my experience of playing with the pultecs so far, they do achieve something you can't with a regular parametric. Having used paras for 25 years.Unaspected wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:57 am You can do this with any parametric EQ. Just make sure the slope of the low shelf continues rolling off into the negative so it starts to cut. You could do this with an additional bell/peak filter and adjust to taste.
The Pultec is a passive EQ so it loses gain in that section of the circuit. To make up for this, a tube amp is used to bring the level back up so all is balanced. I've not used the unit myself but a friend worked in a studio that had a couple and their only use there was to run signals through without any EQ applied. It added a certain something at the end of the mixing stage.
As far as curve interaction goes, it's mostly because you can both boost and cut the low end simultaneously (as imrae states, using two low shelves) which isn't recommended. However (as all rules must be broken) it turns out that this configuration still boosts the deep low end whilst cutting around the bass frequencies. Which looks something like this:
So if you were emulating the motion using a low shelf and bell filter, the bell would have to have its gain, cutoff and Q modulated in sympathy with the gain of the shelf: The cutoff inversely proportionate as both the gain and Q increase. In other words: The greater the boost, the tighter the cut.
Whilst I definitely wouldn't class the Pultec as being without vibe, it very much is for broad strokes. Along similar lines, maybe Fuse Audio Lab's VPQ bundle would be of interest: https://fuseaudiolabs.de/#/pages/product?id=300910246
It's not a Pultec emulation but might be a viable alternative and offers a 32bit version if you're running a Windows system. A sale is probably also around the corner, though it's very fairly priced anyway.
Getting more vibey though definitely offering broad strokes would be Fuse's (free) Baxandall RS-W2395C: https://fuseaudiolabs.de/#/pages/product?id=300965965
Though probably my favourite broad stoke EQ (right now) is the Lindell 80s Series channel strip emulation: https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... eries.html
That's correct - but if I were emulating it with a parametric EQ, I'd probably use a low shelf and a bell as I think this would afford greater control, might be more intuitive and easier/quicker to match the response.