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tony10000
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1542 posts since 4 Aug, 2017

Post Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:44 pm

Just wondering...is anyone using MuLab 9?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4lwut2ivg8

jonljacobi
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1886 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:10 pm

Many users. Check out Jo's Mutools forum here on KVR.

docbot
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489 posts since 4 Apr, 2006

Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:30 pm

Just bought the upgrade <3

tony10000
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Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:49 pm

jonljacobi wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:10 pm Many users. Check out Jo's Mutools forum here on KVR.
Okay...just wondering because I don't see it talked about much here.

Vortifex
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Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:08 pm

I will buy it when he implements a simple sidechaining method. Until then it's a no from me.

tony10000
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Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:22 pm

Vortifex wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:08 pm I will buy it when he implements a simple sidechaining method. Until then it's a no from me.
Can't you use KickStart or LFO Tool?

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Michael L
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4201 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:19 pm

tony10000 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:22 pm
Vortifex wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:08 pm I will buy it when he implements a simple sidechaining method. Until then it's a no from me.
Can't you use KickStart or LFO Tool?
MuLab has a Sidechain Compressor module (and a Ducker) that you can route in the modular area.
There are a couple of online videos showing how to sidechain in MuLab using that module.

This MuTools thread explains sidechaining: viewtopic.php?p=8334136&hilit=sidechain#p8334136

This MuTools thread shows a very clear sidechain routing: viewtopic.php?p=8393087&hilit=sidechain#p8393087
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Vortifex
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Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:47 am

tony10000 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:22 pmCan't you use KickStart or LFO Tool?
That doesn't cover all the purposes of sidechaining.

Mulab also has some workflow annoyances. The default number of slots on a rack is just 6 and one of those is taken up by the synth, so often I'll need to add another rack and route the audio to it. If you have a full effects rack you can't reorder the effects, you can only do it if there's an empty slot in the rack to drag an effect on to. Or another way is to add another rack, drag one plugin to the new rack, reorder the plugin you want to move inside the original rack, then drag back the plugin from the spare rack. Clicking an empty slot in the rack to add another VST effect always opens up the list of synths first which you either have to scroll past or minimise to get to the effects.

Mulab doesn't recognise the transport buttons on my MIDI controller and the suggested workaround doesn't work.

No VST3 support. There are third party tools to help with that, but my current DAW has native support plus it lacks the workflow irritations of Mulab, and it recognises my MIDI controller.

I actually prefer the overall look and feel of Mulab to FL Studio, but currently it's too rough around the edges for me to consider as a primary DAW.

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pljones
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6976 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK

Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:38 am

The racks are only there as simplified workflows in place of the modular work area that's Mulab's strength.

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Igro
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4553 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere

Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:23 am

Vortifex wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:47 am
tony10000 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:22 pmCan't you use KickStart or LFO Tool?
The default number of slots on a rack is just 6 and one of those is taken up by the synth, so often I'll need to add another rack and route the audio to it. If you have a full effects rack you can't reorder the effects, you can only do it if there's an empty slot in the rack to drag an effect on to. Or another way is to add another rack, drag one plugin to the new rack, reorder the plugin you want to move inside the original rack, then drag back the plugin from the spare rack. Clicking an empty slot in the rack to add another VST effect always opens up the list of synths first which you either have to scroll past or minimise to get to the effects.
Exactly the reasons I haven't bought it back then. And wow, it is still has these inconveniences.

tony10000
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Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:31 pm

Igro wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:23 am
Vortifex wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:47 am
tony10000 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:22 pmCan't you use KickStart or LFO Tool?
The default number of slots on a rack is just 6 and one of those is taken up by the synth, so often I'll need to add another rack and route the audio to it. If you have a full effects rack you can't reorder the effects, you can only do it if there's an empty slot in the rack to drag an effect on to. Or another way is to add another rack, drag one plugin to the new rack, reorder the plugin you want to move inside the original rack, then drag back the plugin from the spare rack. Clicking an empty slot in the rack to add another VST effect always opens up the list of synths first which you either have to scroll past or minimise to get to the effects.
Exactly the reasons I haven't bought it back then. And wow, it is still has these inconveniences.
I have been using it with multiple instances of PlugInGuru Unify as a creative playground. Works really well and Unify has its its own effects chains and a pretty amazing library of "Unified" instruments, so it is a great combo!

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syntonica
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Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:10 pm

If you are regularly maxing out 5 or 6 fx slots on a track, it's probably time to take a long, hard look at your fx usage. ;)

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Igro
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Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:21 pm

syntonica wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:10 pm If you are regularly maxing out 5 or 6 fx slots on a track, it's probably time to take a long, hard look at your fx usage. ;)
You are right. The less is more sometimes. But I do use some analytical plugins too.

tony10000
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Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:09 pm

Igro wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:21 pm
syntonica wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:10 pm If you are regularly maxing out 5 or 6 fx slots on a track, it's probably time to take a long, hard look at your fx usage. ;)
You are right. The less is more sometimes. But I do use some analytical plugins too.
Blue Cat Patchwork is a good solution for that...

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syntonica
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Post Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:19 pm

Igro wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:21 pm
syntonica wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:10 pm If you are regularly maxing out 5 or 6 fx slots on a track, it's probably time to take a long, hard look at your fx usage. ;)
You are right. The less is more sometimes. But I do use some analytical plugins too.
I usually put those on the master track and just solo. Like full FFT displays that I use when the basic ones in the EQs are just not detailed enough, or pitch detectors, etc.

When I first started, I used to use tons of plugins, like 5 ot 6 per track. It was a total mess and I had to learn to do far better in my recording chain as well as sound selection using virtual instruments (less effected). Once I got into automation and bussing, things just started clicking.

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